Oct 17, 2023 Regular City Council Meeting

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AND THAT MEETING IS ADJOURNED. UM NEXT, WE GROW RIGHT ALONG INTO OCTOBER. 17TH 2023. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. IT IS 5 39 AND MEDAL CLERKS. YOU PLEASE

[1. Roll Call]

NOW LORD, WE ASK THAT YOU BE IN THE MIDST OF US AND BLESS US HAVING YOUR FATHER THAT BLESSINGS UPON US AND OUR CITY. WE EXPECT BLESSINGS UPON OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. POLICE OFFICERS I E. M S FIREFIGHTERS HAVING THE FATHER OUR SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. WE ACTUALLY YOU BLESSED SPECIAL WAY YOU KEEP THEM IN YOUR LOVING ARMS, NOR THAT WE ACTED, NO HURT HARM. NO DANGER WILL COME TO NONE OF OUR CITIZENS THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HEDGE OF PROTECTION AROUND ALL OF US HAVING A FATHER THAT WE MAY WALK THE STREETS AND DRIVE THE STREETS SAFELY. LORD WE ASK THAT BLESSINGS UPON, UH, ALL THE VALENCE DATA GOING OVER IN THE MIDDLE EAST HAVING A FATHER. WE ASKED THAT YOU WILL BRING PEACE TO BOTH SIDES HAVING THEIR FATHER BE WITH THEM AND LET THEM COME TO SOME TYPE OF SENSIBLE AGREEMENT HAVING A FATHER AH, THERE PEACE WILL PREVAIL. HAVING A FATHER WE EXECUTE BE WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONES TO THE BOMBINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE HAD THAT YOU WILL RETURN THOSE HOSTAGES BACK HOME SAFELY. IT'S IN YOUR NAME. WE PRAY AND WE THANK YOU. AMEN. AMEN. ASKING EVERYONE, PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASURE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION. UNDER GUARD. TIA JUSTICE FOR ALL

[4. Determination of the Presence of a Quorum]

[5. Proclamations/Recognitions/Presentation of Ceremonial Proclamations]

AND WHEREAS IN 2023 AND ESTIMATED 297,790 NEW CASES OF INVASIVE BREAST CANCER ARE EXPECTED TO BE DIAGNOSED IN WOMEN IN THE US ALONG WITH 55,720 NEW CASES OF NON INVASIVE BREAST CANCER. AND WHEREAS ABOUT 2800 NEW CASES OF INVASIVE BREAST CANCER, I EXPECTED TO BE DIAGNOSED IN MEN IN 2023 A MAN'S LIFETIME RISK OF BRASS CASTERS ABOUT ONE IN 833. AND WHEREAS ON AVERAGE. TWO MINUTES EVERY TWO MINUTES. A WOMAN IS DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCER UNITED STATES AND WHEREAS, ACCORDING TO THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE AND PREVENTION BREAST CANCER IS THE MOST COMMON CANCER IN AMERICAN WOMEN AND SELF SKIN CANCERS. AND WHEREAS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNITE ALL CITIZENS IN OUR COMMUNITY TO PREVENT BREAST CANCER DEATHS TO INCREASE EDUCATION AND REGULAR SCREENING AND WHEREAS THIS OCTOBER AS WE DISPLAY PINK RIBBONS OR WEAR PINK CLOTHING TO RAISE AWARENESS, WE RECOGNIZE BREAST CANCER SURVIVORS. THOSE CURRENTLY BATTLING DISEASE, FRIENDS AND FAMILIES OF THE DIAGNOSED PATIENTS AND APPLAUD THE EFFORTS OF OUR MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AND RESEARCHERS WORKING ON FINDING A CURE. AND NOW THEREFORE, UH SAMMY, APPARENTLY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY VESTED ME AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PETERSBURG DO HEAR ABOUT PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2023 AS NATIONAL BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH IN OCTOBER, 2023 NATIONAL MAMMOGRAPHY DAY IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG DATED OCTOBER, 17TH 2023 SIGNED BY MYSELF AND THE CLERK OF COUNCIL OFFICIAL, LUCY. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT IS ITEM SIX.

[6. Responses to Previous Public Information Posted]

[7. Approval of Consent Agenda (to include minutes of previous meetings):]

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COUNCIL MEMBER MYERS COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK, VICE MAYOR HERE FIRM MOTIONS PASSED. ALL

[8. Official Public Hearings]

LET'S SAY FROM MY HOUSE TO FOOD LINE WILL TAKE LONGER THAN SIX MINUTES. BUT WE WANT TO OPEN TRANSPORTATION FOR OTHERS AND IN THE CITY, SO I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GONNA HELP THE CITY OTHER THAN HELP BIRD MAKE MONEY. SO THOSE ARE SOME QUESTIONS I THINK NEED TO BE POSED TO HIM LIKE AN ANSWER FOR THEM, ESPECIALLY THE BATTERY ISSUE. THE CHARGING OF THEM. WHAT TYPE OF BATTERIES YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY DO. LITHIUM BATTERIES ARE PROBLEMATIC. BATTERIES DO CATCH ON FIRE. WE HAVE HAD TWO IN THE CITY THAT I KNOW OF. THANK YOU. MISS LAURA. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING THIS EVENING. I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU SOMETHING MY DAUGHTER SHARED WITH ME. MY DAUGHTER, 17 AND SORRY. DRESS SORRY. GENEVIEVE LAURA 19 GUARANTEES ST PETERSBURG 23803.

UM MY DAUGHTER 17 YEARS OLD, AND SHE HAS A CONNECTIVE TISSUE DISORDER, AND SHE FREQUENTLY USES A WHEELCHAIR. AND SHE SHARED WITH ME A VIDEO ABOUT THE CONCERNS THAT THESE SCOOTERS HAVE FOR THOSE WITH MOBILITY ISSUES. SO THE SCOOTERS LEFT ON THE SIDEWALK AND SOMEONE'S USING A WHEELCHAIR. HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO GET ACROSS THE SIDEWALK? WELL, THEY AREN'T AND THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE. SO ALTHOUGH I REALIZE THAT THE PILOT PROGRAM THAT'S SOMETHING I'M URGING YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER IS HOW YOU WOULD KEEP TRACK OF THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS AN ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE FOR THOSE WHO ARE USING WHEELCHAIRS OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF ABILITY,

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GOOD EVENING, MR MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL MICHAEL EDWARDS, 49 GROVE AVENUE. GOOD EVENING.

THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS A PRESENTATION UNDER MR TABOR WHEN HE WAS HERE. AND I VOICED MY CONCERNS ABOUT IT THEN. AS I'M GOING TO NOW. AS THE SPEAKERS SAY. MOBILITY PROBLEMS. STREET PROBLEMS. AND MAJORITY OF US HAVE DRIVEN THROUGH RICHMOND.

THEY LEAVE THESE SCOOTERS LAYING EVERYWHERE. SAD WALKS, GUTTERS, DRIVEWAYS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREETS. SO I THINK THAT WOULD CREATE MORE OF A SAFETY HAZARD FOR US HERE. AND. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DON'T NEED TO BE RESPONDING TO SOMEBODY CALLING. THAT THERE IS A SCOOTER LEFT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. THEY GOT MORE THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT THEM GOING TO RETRIEVE A SCOOTER. THERE'S SOMEBODY HAS LEFT LAYING WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE. SO I DO NOT THINK. THAT THIS IS A GOOD FIT RIGHT NOW FOR THE CITY. MAYBE WE SHOULD EXPLORE AND MORE ASK MORE QUESTIONS. UM, I GUESS THE. MR LYNCH THOUGHT ONE APPEARANCE WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO GET THIS THING PASSED. BUT IF I WANTED SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE CAME BACK TONIGHT AS WELL. BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO, YOU KNOW, TABLE THIS FOR MORE DISCUSSION OR DENY IT OPERATING HERE UNTIL WE CAN GET A CONCRETE PLAN ON WHAT THIS IS GOING TO ENTAIL. BUT RIGHT NOW OUR CITY STREETS ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO HANDLE THESE THINGS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. SAYING NO MORE HANDS PUBLIC HEARING HIS CLOTHES. ALRIGHT NEXT TIME DISCUSSION ROOMS, COUNSEL COUNSELING COLBERT. THANK YOU, MR MAYOR. MR MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FROM THIS YEAR. MISS SCHADE MARK IF COUNSEL. THERE'S NOT ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE. WE REFUSED TO ADOPT. I ASSUME THAT'S THE CASE. CONVERT RODS STILL BUSINESS IN PETERSBURG. NO THE AGREEMENT NEEDS TO BE BETWEEN THE CITY AND BIRD. THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OPERATE IN THE CITY. WITHOUT THAT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE AGREEMENT IN ORDER TO DO BUSINESS IN PETERSBURG. UM TONY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? YES, MR WILLIAMS. I THINK I MENTIONED THIS WHEN MR TABLE WERE PRESENTED THIS AND THAT WAS

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I MEAN, THEY DON'T HAVE TO ASK COUNSEL TO PASS AN ORDINANCE. AUTHORIZING THEM TO OPERATE THE TOYS STORE. SO I. WHAT I SEE THIS ORDINANCE IS DOING IS CREATING AN IMPEDIMENT TO COMPETITION. MAKE ANYONE ELSE WHO'S GOT A SCOOTER OPERATION. THINK I BETTER NOT GO TO PETERSBURG BECAUSE YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH SOME HOOPS AND YOU GOTTA GET COUNCIL DO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE. I MEAN, AFTER ALL, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID FOR BIRD RIDES. UM AND THEN SO I DO THINK IT'S AN IMPEDIMENT TO COMPETITION, AND I THINK THAT'S BAD. UM AND THEN I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS LIABILITY THAT MR WILLIAMS MENTIONED AND IT'S NOT JUST SOMEBODY GETTING RUN OVER BY A SCOOTER. IT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S RIDING THE SCOOTER. AH! COMING IN CONTACT WITH AN AUTOMOBILE. AND. EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET SUED. IF THE INJURIES ARE BAD ENOUGH. BIRD BRIDES IS GONNA GET SUED THE CITY OF PETERSBURG IS WHO GET SUED. AND IF WE'RE GETTING PART OF THE COMPENSATION FOR THE RIDE. AND I THINK, MR YARD MARK, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING BY 15 CENTS PER. I WASN'T SURE WHAT BUT I JUST WASN'T QUICK ENOUGH. I STOPPED THE 15 CENTS. BUT IF OUR PLAINTIFFS ATTORNEY, I WOULD SUE THE ENTITY WITH THE DEEP POCKET, AND THAT MEANS THE PETERSBURG TAXPAYER. SO UH AH. ALL OF THE ABOVE REASONS IT'S AN IMPEDIMENT TO COMPETITION. AH IT'S NOT NECESSARY AND IT OPENS THE CITY UP TO LIABILITY. IT, UM I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT OTHERS THINK. THANK YOU, MONSIEUR MARC. THANK YOU, AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THAT. SO THIS IS BEFORE YOU MOSTLY BECAUSE WE'RE ENTERING INTO A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT WITH BIRD SCOOTERS FOR THIS OPERATION, ALSO 15 CENTS PER RIDE. UM, WAS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR AND THEN IN TERMS OF WHO'S AT FAULT FOR AN ACCIDENT IN THIS AGREEMENT, IT DOES MENTION THAT WHO WOULD BE AT FAULT WOULD BE BIRD. IF IT'S AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE WITH THEIR SCOOTER OR THE USER WHOSE SONS WHO HAS TO SIGN A WAIVER PRIOR TO USING THE SCOOTER, THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE. SHOULD IT BE TO THEIR NEGLIGENCE. WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM? WELL THANK YOU. I DON'T MEAN TO ARGUE THE LAW, BUT I KNOW THAT IF OUR PLAINTIFFSATTORNEY I WOULDN'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THAT PROVISION AGREEMENT. I'D LET THE JUDGE DECIDE THAT ONE OR MAYBE A JURY. ANY EVENT. I UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, COUNSELOR, JONES. IT'S CALLED A BUSINESS LICENSE. AND THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH IT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS GOT A BUSINESS IN THIS CITY. THEY GO THROUGH IT. GET YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE. PAY THOSE TAXES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DO. AND BE DONE WITH IT, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT. TO SHARE. THE FAULT. SO WHETHER IT'S 15 CENTER $15. WE STILL LIABLE BECAUSE WE'RE RECEIVING SOMETHING FROM THAT COMPANY. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AGREE WITH EVERY SPEAKER THAT JUST WENT UP. STREETS ARE NOT READY FOR THIS YEAR. NOW. WE GOT SOME BIG PLANS AHEAD. AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE

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GREAT SO THIS CASE IS 2023 S U P 07. THIS IS A PETITION FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SPARKLE DETAILING LLC IN A B TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. SO THE BACKGROUND IS WE HAD THE APPLICANT MR STACY PHELPS COME BEFORE US WITH SPARKLE DETAILING . HE'S LOOKING TO HAVE A HAND CAR WASHING ESTABLISHMENT, AS WAS DETAILING AT THIS ADDRESS TO 744 SOUTH CORRIDOR ROAD, WHICH IS ALLOWABLE WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE LOCATION. YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THIS MAP, JUST OFFICE SOUTH CRATER ROAD NEAR PARK AVENUE, AS WELL AS FLANK ROAD. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SITE IS OWNED B TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND AROUND THE AREA. YOU DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL BUT BEHIND THE PROPERTY. THERE IS A WOODED AREA AS WELL OPERATING AS A BUFFER. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALSO RECOMMENDS COMMERCIAL FOR THIS PROPERTY SO AGAIN SHOULD THIS GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? IT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. LAND USE DESIGNATION. PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF BOTH RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. BUT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SO THE APPLICANT SHALL MAINTAIN A CLEAN SITE WITH NO OUTSIDE STORAGE OF MATERIALS OR EQUIPMENT. NO VEHICLE SHALL BE STORED ON THE PROPERTY AWAITING CLEANING, UM, AND SHOULD NOT BE RETAINED ON THE PROPERTY FOR MORE THAN 48 HOURS, AND NO VEHICLE SHALL BE OPERATED ON ON SUCH PREMISES, SO REALLY JUST LIMITING THIS SPECIAL USE TO THE DETAILING AND CAR WASHING COMPONENT AND TAKING OUT THE AUTO REPAIR COMPONENT. LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

RIGHT. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF ORDERS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL PETITION FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT AT 27 44 FOR HAND WASH AND DETAIL IN ALRIGHT. ANY HANDS? UM MR FLEMING. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. JEFF LEMON 18 19 CHECK ATTACK AVENUE, PETERSBURG, VIRGINIA. I'M ALL ABOUT FREE ENTERPRISE ALL ABOUT PEOPLE MAKING MONEY OPENING THEIR OWN BUSINESSES. BUT FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, HOW MANY CAR WASHES DO WE NEED? THERE ARE TWO CAR WASHES GETTING THERE'S ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY WITHIN TWO BLOCKS OF THEIR THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE DO FOR CONSTRUCTION. IT'S SPRING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF WALMART.

ALSO WE HAVE ONE ON CAN I KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST SIX IN A CITY. IT'S LIKE THE SAME THING WITH HAIR STORES. IT'S THE SAME THING WITH VAPE STORES. I MEAN, THESE ARE THESE ARE ALL ABOUT MAKING MONEY. BUT WE GOT A LIMITED WE GOT DOLLAR GENERAL ON EVERY BLOCK. I HAVE NOTHING WRONG. MR FELSON WON'T OPEN A BUSINESS. BUT WE GOTTA START PLANNING. WE DON'T WANT TO BE A CITY OF CAR WASHES, HAIR STORES AND VAPE STORES. THERE'S A VAPE STORE. I CAN PLAY GOLF FROM WALNUT HILL WITH A NINE IRON AND HIT VAPE STORES THE WHOLE TIME WITH A NINE IRON ANYBODY KNOWS GOLF. WE GOTTA DO BETTER PLANNING. WE HAVE TO BETTER PLANNING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OH YES, SKILL GAMES, TOO. I COULD DO THAT WITH SKILL GAMES. PROBABLY I MIGHT NEED A SEVEN IRON FOR THAT ONE.

THANK YOU. RIGHT ANY OTHER HANDS IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALRIGHT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HIS CLOTHES.

UM IF MISS SAM MARK IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND HAD A QUESTION HERE, YOU KNOW THIS THIS, UM, ESTABLISHMENT I KNOW YOU PUT UP THERE. NO NO VEHICLE STORAGE FOR 48 HOURS, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN

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HE DID SO UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT SINCE THERE'S A CARWASH STRUCTURE THERE, THAT MEANS YOU CAN OPERATE A CAR WASH. BUT SINCE IT HAD BEEN VACANT FOR SO LONG, AND WE REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR TO OPERATE WERE NOTIFIED HIM THAT HE HAD TO COME IN AND GET THE RIGHT PERMIT IN ORDER TO OPERATE. SO MY QUESTION IS IT NEVER CHANGED. USE. AS A CAR WASH. AND HE WANTS TO BE A CAR WASH. WHY DOES THAT REQUIRE SPECIAL USED TO BE? A CAR WASH. I CAN UNDERSTAND IF IT CHANGED USE. TO SOMETHING ELSE. NOW HE WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO BUILD A CAR WASH. BUT THIS IS KIND OF STUFF. BUT RIGHT. I THINK AT THE TIME IT WASN'T A DETAILED SHOP. IT WAS ONE OF THOSE WASHES, RIGHT. UM I JUST WANTED TO SEND THE MANAGER. IS THERE ANY WATER ON THAT SITE? SO THE KIND OF GIVE THE HISTORY IS THAT WAS A GAS STATION. AT THE TIME, WHICH HAD THE DRIVE THROUGH CAR WASH ALREADY THERE. THE GAS STATION CLOS, THUS, THE CAR WASH. PIECE OF IT IS CLOSED. THE UH, BUILDING ITSELF HAS REOPENED AS A VAPE SHOP. SO THE CAR WASH BECOMES AN INDEPENDENT USE. IT'S NOT THE SECONDARY USE OF THE GAS STATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE GAS STATION. INDEPENDENT NOW SEPARATE PEOPLE WOULD OPERATE THEM. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING BACK IN BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN ABANDONED. SO YOU HAVE A NONCONFORMING USE THAT THEY'RE NOW HE REQUIRES THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE PER THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE. AS FAR AS WATER TO THE THERE'S WATER. I BELIEVE TO THE BUILDING. I DON'T THINK THERE'S WATER TOO. THE CAR WASHED PIECE RIGHT NOW. THE ACTUAL WHERE THE CAR WASH WAS. I DON'T THINK THE WATERS ON ONE THERE TO MY KNOWLEDGE. BUT I THINK THE APPLICANTS HERE IF YOU WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS. THAT'S HAPPENING.

YEAH, YEAH, YOU MIND COMING UP THIS WEEK? BUT IN COUNCILMAN. WELL. THEN MY CARS THAT'S UP. THERE AIN'T NO WATER. UP THERE ON THE PROPERTY. ANYTIME I WATCH ACOG GO DOWN.

WOW! COME BACK WHILE WE'RE DOWN. SARAH BUT THEN MY CARS AND THEY BEEN TAGGED, GOT LICENSE. LEGIT LICENSE PLATES. EVERYTHING. SO YOU TAKE YOUR CARS TO WA WA'S AND WASH THEM IN THE AUTOMATIC WASH THEM BACK THERE, AND YOU WATCHED MYSELF AND BRING THEM BACK TO WIPE THEM OFF, RIGHT? I WIPE THEM OFF DOWN THERE. I JUST BRING THEM BACK DRESSED THE TIES RIGHT HERE. AND THERE'S NO WATER TO THE FACILITY AT ALL. I DON'T KNOW. VICE MAYOR. YEAH. WHAT'D YOU GET? BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE MAYOR'S AWARD, BUT SEE MY COMMENTS UNTIL AFTER EVERYBODY TALK. THAT'S THE MAYOR'S AWARD.

I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. WARD THREE. OKAY? THANK YOU. OKAY? WEIZMAN HERE? YEAH.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS UM, GO BACK. TO THE INFORMANT THAT WAS ACTS. UM, THAT. THE PLANNING

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AH LATER ON, AND YOU DON'T COME TO TOMORROW AS A VIOLATION. IT'S A VIOLATION IS THERE MORE THAN 48 HOURS? MORE THAN TWO DAYS? UNDERSTAND THAT SO? I GOT A LOT OF TIME PEOPLE DROP THEIR CARS OFF AND SAY, HEY, STACY, I'M GOING TO RICHMOND. UM I MIGHT BE CLOSED UP AND THEY MIGHT NOT COME GET THEIR CARS. RIGHT THEN AND THERE. I'M IN FOR. YOUR LICENSE WAS SAY THAT THEY ONLY CAN BE THERE 48 HOURS. I DON'T WE CAN'T SAY WHO WILL BE AT FOUR. EXCUSE ME. IF THAT'S THE PROBLEM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT WHEN I WAS ON WHEELS STREET I NEVER HAD NO PROBLEM. I HAD TO HAVE 48 HOURS. TWO CAR CAN'T BE THERE BEFORE THE EIGHT HOURS. I NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM.

THERE'S SOMETHING NEW TO ME, SO THEREFORE IT IS A PROBLEM. I WON'T HAVE NEW CARS. THEY JUST DO THE CARS AND KEEP IT MOVING SINCE YOU INTERJECT WITH STREET ONE OF YOUR CARS WITH TAG AND TAKING OFF OF WHICH STREET YOU REMEMBER THAT, AND THERE'S ONE IS THE MERCEDES, THE BURGUNDY MERCY IT IS THAT YOU HAVE NOW THAT WAS TAKEN OFF AND WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE THING. WOULD YOU GET IN YOUR CAR BACK BECAUSE IT WAS TAGGING CARS AT THE TIME, BECAUSE THAT CAR RIGHT THERE WAS SITTING THERE TOO. UH THAT THE BERGEN IT AH, MISS A MERCEDES THAT WAS SITTING THERE AND THAT WAS THAT WAS TAG PARKER. RIGHT THERE. HE TAGGED BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE NO TAGS ON NOW THAT IT GOT ANTIQUE TAGS. YOU CAN HAVE ANTIQUE TAGS AND HAVE YOUR CAR. PARKED ON A LOT. UM. FOR A LONG TIME BUT HAD BEEN BEEN TAGGING AND GOT ANTIQUE TAGS ON BOTH OF THE ONLY ONE THAT AIN'T GOT TAGS, ONLY HIS DIPLOMA THEORY. I CAN MOVE ALL THREE OF THEM. IT WOULDN'T BE NO PROBLEM TO ME, SIR. SO THIS THIS MEETING RIGHT HERE WAS 97 23, AND THEY ISSUED IT. YOU THIS BUT THEY WEREN'T MOVED. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY THOUGHT THAT IT WAS ALREADY A CAR LIKE THAT. YOU WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. I KNOW YOU CAN PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THIS BUILDING BY PAYING IT AND YOU EVEN CUT SOME OF THE VEGETATION DOWN WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM THE CITY. YOU KNOW THE WOODED AREA? YOU CUT IT DOWN WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM THE CITY. SO MY THING IS ALL BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG IS NOT GOOD BUSINESS. I'M NOT TRYING TO HURT YOU. BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT WITH WHAT WAS AGREED UPON BAD THIS COMMITTEE. AND YOU FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS. IT'S BEEN CARS, DALE SO WHATEVER WAY. MR BOX THERE WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY.

TOLD ME HE SAID YOU GET CLEAR ALL THAT UP. THERE AIN'T NO PROBLEM, MR. BOX THEIR THEIR OWN THE OIL MR BOX THERE, HE OWNED THE PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR PHELPS. THANK YOU, SIR.

AT THIS TIME, UM, HAND THE GAVEL TO VICE MAYOR HILL AND THAT JUST TIME I LIKE TO MOTION TO DID NOT

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I HANDED GAVEL BACK OVER TO THE MAIL. AT THIS TIME WE MOVE ON TO ITEM HC CONSIDERATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG VIRGINIA DEVELOPMENT CONSORTIUM FOR SYCAMORE GROVE AND ADAMS NORTH PROJECTS, MR AUBIN. MR MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS CONSIDERATION OF A MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE VIRGINIA DEVELOPED, OF COURSE SOURCE, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT OF THE 800 TO 1, SOUTH ADAMS STREET, THE FORMER SOUTHSIDE REGIONAL SITE AND THE FORMER MASTER SHOVELING PROPERTIES THAT SEEK WIRED IN OLD TOWN. THE CITY, ALONG WITH THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, WORKING THROUGH THE PARTNERSHIP FOR PETERSBURG HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH VDC TO BRING THESE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS FORWARD. ONE OF OBVIOUSLY, AS WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION ON ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE GOVERNOR ABOUT A GROCERY STORE COMING TO THE CITY AS PART OF THE SYCAMORE GROVE PROJECTS AND THE ADAMS NORTH PROJECT. WOULD INCLUDE SEEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOME OFFICE SPACE AND SOME MIXED USE COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND OFFICE AND RESIDENTIAL TONIGHT'S AGREEMENT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE CONTINUED NEGOTIATION OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS. THE MASTER AGREEMENT, THEN REQUIRES TWO SUB AGREEMENTS . ONE FOR EACH PROPERTY. UH, SIX MONTHS TO DEVELOP THOSE TWO SUB AGREEMENTS TO THE TO THE WITH THE CITY. AND NEGOTIATE ALL THE FINAL TERMS OF THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN ANY CITY PARTICIPATION IN THOSE PROJECTS.

AND MR MAYOR IF I MADE THE MANAGER HAS ALSO INDICATED THAT, UM, HE'S COMING UP ON A DEADLINE FOR THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION AND FURTHERANCE OF THIS PROJECT, SO HE WOULD ASK THAT IF COUNSEL IS INCLINED TO APPROVE THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE BEFORE DOING SO, THERE'LL BE A MOTION TO AMEND THE LAST PARAGRAPH. THE ORDINANCE. AND SOME LANGUAGE HAS BEEN PROVIDED SPECIFICALLY TO AUTHORIZE HIM TO SUBMIT ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY FOR THAT GRANT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS AS WELL. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG VIRGINIA DEVELOPMENT CONSORTIUM FOR THE SYCAMORE GROVE AND ADAMS NORTH PROJECTS. MISS BARBARA RUDOLPH. GOOD EVENING, BARB RUDOLPH 16 75 MOUNT VERNON STREET. SOME OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT IT PERTAINS TO THE AGENDA PACKAGE AND INDICATE THAT IT INCLUDED A MASTER AGREEMENT. DOCUMENT BUT IT INDICATED THERE WAS A TABLE OF EXHIBITS, AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT EXACTLY WHICH PROPERTIES ARE INVOLVED AND THE FUNDING HOW THEY HOW THIS WOULD BE FUNDED AND SOME OTHER ITEMS, WHICH I STILL THINK WOULD BE. VERY VALUABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW ABOUT. I MEAN, LISTENING TO WHAT MR ALTMAN JUST SAID. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THIS WILL PROCEED, AND THEN THEY'LL BE LIKE A SEPARATE AGREEMENTS FOR EACH PARCEL. YOU KNOW EACH PROJECT THAT ADAMS NORTH AND THE AND THE ARM SYCAMORE GROVE. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT EVER COMES BACK AND GETS SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC. AND WHAT'S GOING ON? I MEAN, DOES IT JUST END UP? WE SIGNED THE AGREEMENT, AND AT SOME POINT WE FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT WHAT? WHAT'S GOING TO COST. WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR WHAT? IT'S JUST THERE'S SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. THAT'S NOT A CRITIQUE OF ANY OF THE PROJECT. IT'S JUST I FEEL LIKE IT'S I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT SERVES THE PUBLIC OR THE COUNCIL WILL TO NOT BE MORE INFORMATIVE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. EVEN IF IT'S JUST TO RUBBER STAMP SOMETHING.

UH THAT'S THAT'S SO THAT'S MY THAT'S MY CONCERN ABOUT IT. UM MAYBE NEXT TIME. THE BEST THING WOULD BE PROBABLY TO LEAVE THAT PAGE OUT WHEN YOU PUT IT IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE BECAUSE IT JUST RAISES QUESTIONS TO PUT SOME SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE. ADVERTISED THAT THERE'S INFORMATION PROVIDED WHICH ISN'T PROVIDED. AND THEN WHEN I WENT BACK AND ASKED FOR IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF RELUCTANCE TO PROVIDE IT. THANK YOU. MR JEFF FLEMING. GOOD

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MAINLY WE'RE ABOUT KEEPING THE GRASS CUT, ALTHOUGH WE DID HAVE AN INCIDENT AT THE OLD NURSES SCHOOL WITH THE WATER SPRINKLER SYSTEM, BUT A TIMELINE OF WHEN THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S ALL SOUNDS GREAT AND DANDY AND THE GOVERNOR'S PARTNERSHIP AND ALL THIS SOUNDS GREAT, BUT WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON IT? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CITIZENS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT AND I'M ALL FOR IT. DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT WILL IT COME TO FRUITION? WE DON'T WANT TO HIT ALL THIS FANFARE AND ALL THIS. WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND THEN IT'S LIKE A LETDOWN. AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING WITH VIRGINIA. EVERY SCHOOL RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MR OLDMAN. MR MAYOR, MEMBERS COUNCIL, AND SO I THINK A GOOD COMMENTS FROM THE CITIZENS. I WOULD SAY THAT, UM ONE FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE. WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THOSE ULTIMATELY BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THE SUB AGREEMENTS FOR EACH FOR THIS MASTER AGREEMENT IN PLACE AND THE WE ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD OR TAKE A RECOMMENDED ACTION. UH WITHOUT THERE BEING A BENEFIT FOR THE CITY, SO WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THERE'S A CLAWBACK PROVISIONS THAT SO IF WE CONVEY THE PROPERTY AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE GET THE PROPERTY BACK. SO WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS AND THE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD. UM, WE'RE NOT COMMITTING AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO A DOLLAR FIGURE TO SUPPORT ME. WE HAVE WE HAVE TO FLUSH THAT OUT TO SEE WHAT THAT INVESTMENTS GOING TO BE ON THE PROPERTY. WHAT THAT RETURN WOULD BE FOR US AND HOW WE CAN JUSTIFY ANY TYPE OF CITY INVESTMENT, WHETHER THAT BE THE LAND AND INTO THE PROJECT. PUBLIC UTILITY IMPROVEMENT FROM PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE LIKE TO AND OUR INVESTMENT SIDE. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT RETURN WILL BE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE STEPS OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, SO WE BRING THOSE SUB AGREEMENTS BACK. THOSE DETAILS WILL BE THERE FOR COUNCIL BECAUSE COUNCIL NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT IT'S COMMITTING TO AND WHAT IS GETTING INTO MY COMMITMENT. I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY'S COME IN. WE'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU ENTER INTO AGREEMENT UNLESS WE KNOW THAT. BECAUSE WE NEED IT NEEDS TO BE SUCCESSFUL. SO I JUST WANT TO CITIZENS AND I WERE TO TAKE EVERY PRECAUTION TO LIMIT OUR LIABILITY BUT RETURN OR GET A MAXIMUM RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT THAT WE CAN GET FOR THE CITY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM NEXT. ANY QUESTIONS? UM ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE LET'S GET OPENED UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR GARY TALLY CHARM IN REAL QUICK BEFORE I CLOSE. GARY CHARLIE 23 23 4 TRUSS STREET. I THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROJECT. CAN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND US SUPPORTED I WITNESSED THAT WHEN I WAS DOWN LAST SUNDAY, I SAW THAT BUBBLING OUT OF THE STREETS WITH THE WATER SYSTEM FAILED. I FIXED BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ALL THESE NEW BUSINESS COMING DOWN. IT'S PRETTY MORE STRESS ON THE SYSTEM. WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT BEFORE WE STARTED OPENING MORE BUSINESSES BECAUSE IT STRESSES AND ALREADY ANTIQUATED SYSTEM. THAT'S PROBABLY OLDER THAN THAN A COUPLE OF US PUT TOGETHER. UM SO MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. FOR AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CAN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THE WATER PIPES IN THE SEWER SYSTEM SUPPORT A NEW BUSINESS LIKE THAT? ALL THESE NEW APARTMENTS THAT'S THAT'S HISTORICALLY POOR AREA. UM IN THE CITY. AN ANTIQUATED AN OLD PART OF THE CITY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PART OF THE CITY. BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE CAN SUPPORT THE NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT SEEING NO OTHER HANDS. THERE'S PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

NEXT. I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION OF QUESTIONS FROM HIM AS A COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN COVER. I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS PROPOSED. WITH THE ADDENDUM THAT THEY CITY ATTORNEY HAS. RECOMMENDED WHICH WAS TO, UM. ADOPT THE ORDINANCE WITH THE FINAL FUNDING TO BE DETERMINED THROUGH THE RESPECTIVE SUB DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. IF I COULD JUST READ THAT PARAGRAPH, IT'S IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH. IT WOULD BE AMENDED TO READ NOW. THEREFORE BE IT ORDAINED THAT

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CONSORTIUM IN FURTHERANCE OF THE CREATION OF THE INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. ADAMS NORTH AND SYCAMORE GROVE PROJECTS REFERENCED THERE IN WITH FINAL FUNDING TO BE DETERMINED THROUGH THE SUB AGREEMENTS FOR THE. ADAMS NORTH AND SYCAMORE GROVE PROJECTS RESPECTIVELY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR MYERS. ALL RIGHT. PROMOTION TO SECOND, MADAM CLERK. COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? REMEMBER, CUTHBERT? UH REMEMBER JONES NUMBER MYERS COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK VICE MAYOR HILL PERM MOTIONS PASSED. NEXT MOVE ON ITEM NINE PUBLIC

[9. Public Information Period]

19 GUARANTEES STREET. I REMEMBER THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. HELLO, EVERYBODY. I HOPE EVERYBODY IS DOING WELL. ALRIGHT SO I'M GONNA SHARE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION WITH YOU AND THERE'S SOME NUMBERS AND DATA, BUT UM IF ANYONE WANTS THAT AFTERWARDS, LET ME KNOW. SO I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION SEVERAL TIMES. SEVERAL DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEETINGS REGARDING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE UTILIZING SOCIAL SERVICES BENEFITS. I'VE HEARD IT FROM MANY, SO I WANTED TO DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO THE POPULATION OF PETERSBURG IS APPROXIMATELY 33,000 PEOPLE. IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE RECEIVING BENEFITS. THROUGH SOCIAL SERVICES, THE MOST BEING ACTUALLY THIS NUMBER 25,722. SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, RIGHT? 25,000 OUT OF 33,000 PEOPLE, HOWEVER. ONLY 1241 OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING A CASH BENEFIT. THAT'S THE TEMPORARY ASSISTANCE FOR NEEDY FAMILIES. 1241. OF THAT APPROXIMATELY 1200 PEOPLE. 69% OF THEM ARE CHILDREN. SO WHEN OUR CITY COUNCIL IS UPSET ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE UTILIZING SOCIAL SERVICES BENEFITS THE ONLY CASH BENEFIT IS THAT 1 1200 PEOPLE AND ABOUT 70% OF THOSE ARE KIDS. SO THE OTHER PIECES OF THAT SNAP, WHICH IS FOOD STAMPS, 16,000 PEOPLE. MEDICAL ASSISTANCE 22,000 PEOPLE. PETERSBURG IS AT LEAST HEALTHY CITY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.

FOR US TO BE HEALTHY PEOPLE NEED HEALTH INSURANCE. FOR US TO BE HEALTHY PEOPLE NEED ACCESS TO HEALTHY FOOD. BOTH MEDICAL ASSISTANCE AND FOOD STAMPS, PROVIDE THOSE THINGS. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE UTILIZING SOCIAL SERVICES BENEFITS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS LOGICALLY. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING HERE WHO ARE LIVING THE MAJORITY OF TOO MANY OF THEM ARE LIVING UNDER THE POVERTY LEVEL. THEY NEED THESE BENEFITS THEY NEED THEM TO EAT. THEY NEED THEM TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN AND THEY NEED THEM SO THEY CAN GO TO THE DOCTOR. SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE GOOD THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING IF WE WANT TO DISCOURAGE SOMETHING OR WANT TO ENCOURAGE SOMETHING THAT'S POSITIVE. MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE MEDIAN INCOME FOR PEOPLE. OR THE FACT THAT ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS, MOST PEOPLE HAVE A COMMUTE OF APPROXIMATELY 24 MINUTES. ARE YOU WALKING TO WORK FOR 24 MINUTE COMMUTE? YOU'RE NOT RIGHT. YOU'RE DRIVING. THAT REQUIRES A CAR. THAT REQUIRES A LOT MORE MONEY. SO IF THAT'S WHERE THE JOBS ARE THAT PAY ENOUGH FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO PAY YOUR BILLS. THAT'S AN ISSUE. THERE'S MORE TO THIS. I HAVE 28 SECONDS, THOUGH, SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO IT, SO WE'LL DISCUSS IT AT A DIFFERENT DAY. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF YOU REMEMBER THAT. THAT THAT 25,000 PEOPLE, SOME OF THEM ARE LISTENING TO YOU WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE USING SOCIAL SERVICES BENEFITS. I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. AND I DON'T FIND IT. I THINK IT'S REALLY INAPPROPRIATE. SO THANK YOU. MISS BARBARA RUDOLPH. I LIKE TO GIVE SOMETHING TO MISS LUCAS TO SHARE WITH ALL OF YOU. COULD YOU PLEASE SHARE THOSE

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FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHEN YOU ASK A QUESTION. YOU GOTTA. YOU GOTTA GO DO RESEARCH TO FIND THE ANSWERS AND UNFORTUNATELY AND COME TO THE NEXT MEETING AFTER ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT I BROUGHT UP 1917 POWER TAN. UM THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY. THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO, WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANOTHER COURT HEARING. UH WITHIN 60 DAYS, AND I THINK THAT HAS HAPPENED IN A HAVEN'T SEEN OR HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE COURT DECIDED ON THAT DERELICT HOUSE. UM. AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE. UH THINGS THAT ARE ASKED OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING DILIGENTLY TO RESTORE A LOT OF HOMES AND CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WEST HIGH STREET. UM WE HAVE HOUSES THAT ARE VERY DIALECT THAT HAVE RUSHING IT OUT AND HOLES IN METAL ROOFS, AND WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO PUT A NEW METAL ROOF ON A HOUSE WHEN THEY RESTORE IT.

WELL, THE METAL ROOF COST ABOUT 67 TIMES MORE THAN A COMPOSITION ROOF. UM AND JUST AS A COMPARISON OF FOUR HOUSES HAVE BEEN SOLD THIS YEAR UP THERE, ANYWHERE FROM 200,000 TO $315,000. OF THEM DID HAVE. APPARENTLY SOMEBODY RESTORED THE METAL ROOFS. TWO OF THEM HAVE COMPOSITION ROUTES, SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO SOMEBODY IN DETAIL ABOUT THESE REQUIREMENTS, AND THE OTHER ONE IS TAKING A DOUBLE HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS AND REQUIRING THEM TO MAKE IT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. SO UM, MY TIME I TALKED TO SLOW SO I CAN'T GET EVERYTHING IN WITH THE TIME THAT I HAVE, BUT, UM ONE THING I'D LIKE TO GIVE POINT OUT. UM THERE'S TWO LOTS FOR SALE ON WEST STREET. AND BOTH OF THEM ARE UNDER, UH 50 FT. UM WHICH IS REQUIRED TO BUILD A HOUSE. MY QUESTION IS, AND MAYBE SOMEBODY COULD CALL ME WITH AN ANSWER. CAN SOMEBODY BUILD A DUPLEX? ON THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO LIGHTS. AND HAVE THAT BUILT INTO A FORMER HISTORIC LOOKING HIS DOUBLE HOUSE. AND BE ABLE TO USE THE TWO LIGHTS COMBINED. UH, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 60 FT. BUT IT WOULD BE A DUPLEX JUST LIKE A LOT OF DUPLEXES THAT ALREADY ON THE STREET. SO IF, UM. IF WE COULD GET SOME CONSENSUS OF WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. THEY CAN PRODUCE A LOT OF TAX REVENUE WHEN YOU GET THESE HOUSES UP RESTORED, AND THEY BRING $300,000 INSTEAD OF $13,000, YOU KNOW, VERSUS OUR TAX STRUCTURE. SO THERE ARE A LOT MORE. I DID AN UNSCIENTIFIC SURVEY UP THERE LAST WEEK. THERE ARE ABOUT, UM 26 HOUSES IN BOOK FOUR BLOCKS THAT HAVE METAL ROOFS AND OF THOSE 26. SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN RESTORED WITH A METAL ROOF. 14 HAVE PAIRED COMPOSITION ROOFS ON THEM, AND THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING REQUIRED TO DO A COMPOSITION ROOF WHEN WE'RE NOT BEING CONSISTENT, SO I'M JUST ASKING. MAYBE HAVE A COMMITTEE APPOINTED TO LOOK INTO MAYBE UPDATING THE REQUIREMENTS TO RESTORE HOUSES BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITY TO GET THESE HOUSES RESTORED AND BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT, MISS PAULA CHESTER. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR HERE. ENTIRE COUNCIL MEMBERS. LIKE TO HELP.

YOU OUGHT TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND? WHY IS IT THAT THE VERY AND GREEN TRASH CANS ARE BEING LINED UP ON SYCAMORE STREET. CAN YOU PULL THE MIC DOWN? YES AND WE CAN HEAR YOU WOULD LIKE FOR YOUR TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND? WHY ARE RED AND GREEN TRASH CANES BEING LINE IN FRONT OF BUSINESS? ON SYCAMORE SCREEN, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR MOST HISTORICAL TOURIST STREET IN THE CITY. AH IT'S A

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[10. Business or reports from the Mayor or other Members of City Council]

UM, MR OLDMAN. AND BOTH OF THESE FOLLOW UPS OF. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO COMMENT ON IF I MAY OR HELP US WITH ONE OF THEM IS THE CONCEPT OF A WARNING SHOT. UH HUH. TWO. TRY TO FIND A. BEST PRICE FOR OUR CITY EMPLOYEES. ON HEALTH INSURANCE. AND HAVING A STUDY DINER CONSULTANT RETAINED OR WHATEVER THE MECHANICS ARE OF TRYING TO DRIVE THOSE COSTS DOWN. UH WOULD YOU BRING US UP TO DATE? JUST KIND OF OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? YES, CERTAINLY . SO UH, AS MR RUDOLPH HAD MENTIONED IN MARCH WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, UM YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LACK OF TIME, SO WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS OF ISSUING AN RFP TO GET COMPETITIVE PRICING FOR HEALTH INSURANCE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. WHEN WE GET THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER, WILL THEN USE THAT AS WE LOOK AT THE RENEWAL RATE THAT WE GET FROM OUR CURRENT PROVIDER, AND THEN WE'LL BREAK AND MAKE BRINGING RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL FOR WHAT WE SHOULD DO FOR OUR OUR EMPLOYEES. HEALTH INSURANCE MOVING FORWARD, SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROCESS. IN THE HOPES ARE TO GET MORE COMPETITIVE PRICING BECAUSE IT IS A BURDEN ON OUR EMPLOYEES, AND IT DOES. IT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES ALSO AFFECT OUR RECRUITMENT. BUT ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE PRICING, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET BETTER PLANS, SO WE'RE WORKING FOR THAT TOWARDS THAT RIGHT NOW. WELL, THANK YOU, MR ALTMAN IN ONE VARIABLE THAT I, FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED IS WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT ON TAKE HOME PAY. OF INCREASING THE COPAY AND INCREASING THE DEDUCTIBLE. I REALIZED THERE'S SOME DOWNSIDES TO THAT AS WELL. BUT MY SENSE IS THAT WHAT'S OF GREATEST CONCERN IS A CATASTROPHIC MEDICAL EVENT. AND I CERTAINLY THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT COVERAGE AVAILABLE, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT COPAY AND DEDUCTIBLE. UM OR ALL THAT IMPORTANT. UH, WHEN COMPARED TO UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF. PROTECTION FROM A CATASTROPHIC HEALTH EVENT. LET ME TURN TO A SECOND. AH! COMMENT AND I SUPPOSE MR WILLIAMS CAN PROBABLY HELP US MORE ON THIS THAN ANYBODY. AND THAT'S 1917. POWER TIME. MR WILLIAMS. THIS IS TOTALLY UNREHEARSED. UH SO WITH THAT AS A DISCLAIMER, JUST AS WAS THE CITY MANAGER'S RESPONSE ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE. WOULD YOU BRING US UP TO DATE ON 1917 WELL WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS MENTIONED, IT DID RING A BELL TO ME BECAUSE I I'M OFTEN BROUGHT THE CASES THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES HAS FOR PROSECUTION PURPOSES ONCE THEY'RE READY TO PURSUE ENFORCEMENT IN COURT. SO WHEN I HEARD THAT CASE MENTIONED, I LOOKED IT UP ONLINE. AND WE DID HAVE THAT CASE UNDER A WARRANT IN DEBT BACK IN JANUARY OF 2023 JUDGMENT WAS OBTAINED IN THE AMOUNT OF $1750 AGAINST THE PROPERTY. ENTER AT THAT TIME IT WAS BROUGHT AGAIN AND SEPTEMBER 6TH OF 2023, AT WHICH TIME A DEFAULT JUDGMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF I BELIEVE IT WAS 2100 MORE DOLLARS WAS BROUGHT AGAINST THE PROPERTY OWNER. IT APPEARS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THIS CASE IS A GROUP CALLED THE MARDI GROUP, WHICH IS OUT OF MARYLAND. THERE AN OUT OF STATE LANDOWNER, AND THAT'S WHY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES HAS BEEN OBTAINING CIVIL SUMMONSES IN LIEU OF CRIMINAL SOME EDGES. BUT MY GUESS IS THAT THERE WILL BE RAMPING UP THEIR ENFORCEMENT ON THAT ENTITY. AND

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BUT THAT IS A DECISION THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE AT THAT LEVEL. HE'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. WELL, MR WILLIAMS, CAN WE KEEP THE FILE OPEN BEFORE THE JUDGE AND THE JUDGE GIVES THEM 60 DAYS? I WANT YOU REPORTING BACK HERE. I'M NOT GOING TO DISMISS THE CASE. I'M GONNA HOLD THIS HAMMER OVER YOUR HEAD. UM AND THEN, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER HASN'T MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN THAT 60 DAYS THE JUDGE REALLY COMES DOWN ON HIM, UH, IN A BIG FINE AND SAYS, I'M GIVING YOU ANOTHER 60 DAYS. BUT THE LAST TIME YOU IGNORED MY REQUEST IT COST YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, $2100 THIS TIME IT'S GONNA COST YOU $10,000. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIRECTION IN WHICH WE'RE MOVING AS MUCH AS I ADMIRE OUR OUR JUDGES. I THINK THAT WITH ALL OF THE CRIMINAL CASES THAT THEY HAVE ROBBERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THEY ARE RELUCTANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE ADMINISTERING REPAIRS ON HOUSES, SO I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD KEEP IT OPEN FOR THAT EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. YOU KNOW, WE GO IN AND WE HAVE THEM. CONVICT THE PERSON AND IMPOSED FINES, AND THAT'S THE EXTENT THAT ORDER ABATEMENT AND THEY CAN BE BROUGHT BACK BUT IN TERMS OF MONITORING IT AND HAVING THEM COME BACK, I JUST DON'T THINK OUR JUDGES HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM ADD THAT TO, UH, TO THAT ITEM TO OUR WORK SESSION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR THE NEXT MEETING. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. MR MAYOR.

THANK YOU, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO COUNCILMAN JONES. ALRIGHT.

EVERYBODY GOT FIVE MINUTES. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF, UM VISITING, UH 22 14 WEST WASHINGTON STREET, THE RESOLUTION. WINERY. AND I KNOW I'M MR RIBBON CUTTING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT, UM YOU GUYS OWE IT TO YOURSELF TO GO AND VISIT THAT PLACE. THEY MAKE IT HERE IN PETERSBURG. THEY BOTTLE IT IN PETERSBURG. AND THEY SELL IT HERE IN PETERSBURG. I GOT A BOTTLE IN THE CAR MEANT TO BRING IT IN HERE, BUT FORGET YOU WOULD SEE SOMETHING TO GO AND SEE THAT. UM I DON'T KNOW ON A SERIOUS NOTE. WE ARE AT WAR. NOT JUST IN ISRAEL. WHAT AND I WANT TO PRAY FOR THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE ON BOTH SIDES BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO LIVE. IT'S LIKE HERE. ON BOTH SIDES. THERE'S PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO LIVE. AND WANT TO LIVE A FAIR AND DECENT LIFE. YOU KNOW, UM I ALWAYS SAY IT'S NOT THE GUNS ALONE. IT'S THE MINDSET. OF THE PEOPLE IN THE MINDSET BEHIND THE GUNS BECAUSE YOU CAN TAKE EVERY GUN AWAY ALL YOU WANT.

THEY'RE GONNA FIND A WAY TO KILL IF THAT'S THEIR MINDSET. SO WHAT'S HELPING THEM? KILL IS THE ATMOSPHERE. WE PLAY A BIG ROLE IN THAT THE ATMOSPHERE, THE ENVIRONMENT, EVERYBODY, THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I JUST HEAR SOMEBODY'S UNDER DEPARTMENT. WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING UNDER THE POVERTY RATE THAT'S NOT GOOD. AND WE GOT TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO IS NOT.

DON'T BE ASHAMED TO USE THESE SERVICES. UM EXERCISE OF POWER. WHO'S EXERCISING THE POWER? YOU

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THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THIS COUNCIL IN THIS CITY. UM THAT IF I HAD THE INFORMATION BEFOREHAND, I WOULD HAVE VOTED DIFFERENT ON A LOT OF THINGS, AND THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT. YOU KNOW INFORMATION COME TO US AFTER THE FACT. YOU KNOW, BUT THIS IN PARTICULAR SOMETHING IN MY WARD. AND I DON'T TOLERATE IT. I'M NOT GOING TO TOLERATE IT. AND I THINK I GOT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT'S HERE THAT LIVE AND SO PROPERTY ON 4 62, A DEVELOPER.

AND BECAUSE THEY CAME AND SPOKE. AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM. WE DON'T WANT DEVELOPERS COMING HERE DOING THAT BEING PLAYING BULLY TO ANYBODY. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I'M PUSHING THAT. WE AS COUNSEL, MAKE SURE WE MEET THE DEVELOPERS WHO DO A BACKGROUND CHECK ON THESE DEVELOPERS THROUGH BB AND B. AND THE SEC AND WHOEVER ELSE WE GOTTA LOOK INTO BUT WE HAVE. YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE LAST OF THIS. ALL RIGHT, UM IT'S NOT FAIR. ITS OWN JAZZ. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED OVER. THERE'S NO NEED TO BE PICKING ON YOU OR ANYBODY. I JUST SAID SOMETHING ABOUT DEVELOPERS. LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE MY THING. MAKING SURE DEVELOPERS BE RIGHT BY PEOPLE. UM. I THINK THAT'S IT THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. PETERSBURG WILL BE CELEBRATING.

804 SKATE CITY. WHICH WOULD BE IN WAR, TOO. UM. NOVEMBER THE FOURTH I BELIEVE, BUT THERE'LL BE A SOFT OPENING FOR EVERYBODY SKATE FREE, PROBABLY ON HALLOWEEN. SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO WE WILL POST IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND HAVE EVERYTHING GOING SOON. SO YES. SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH, AND I WAS ONE OF THE THINGS INITIATIVES WE WANT TO HAVE, AND I TALKED TO THE POLICE CHIEF ON IT IF THE KIDS COULD STAY VALID FREE. MURDER FREE. EVERY SUNDAY WILL BE A FREE SKATE DAY FOR FAMILIES AND KIDS EVERY SUNDAY, SO THAT'S EVERYBODY IN THE CITY CAN COME AND SKATE AT NO COST, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE INITIATIVES WE WANT TO DO. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FRANK COUNCILMAN WESTBROOK. UM THIS EVENING. I HAVE NO REPORT. ALL RIGHT, AND I DO THAT. I DO THAT FOR ANYBODY THAT KNOWS, UM I DON'T LIKE TO BOAST OR BRAG, BUT I'VE JUST BEEN DOING SOME THINGS ON THE WORK FRONT. THAT I'VE JUST BEEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY. UM I WILL SAY, THOUGH, UM AH, COUNCIL MEMBER JONES, UM, RESPECTFULLY DISAGREED THAT IF YOU TAKE THE GUNS AWAY, PEOPLE FIND A WAY TO KILL BECAUSE OVERSEAS THEY DON'T HAVE GUNS AND THEY'RE NOT KILLING AND IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CULTURE THAT I HOPE THAT ONE DAY SEEING PETERSBURG WHERE WE CAN GATHER IN MASS AND NOT BE WORRIED ABOUT WHO HAS THE GUN AH, I KNOW THAT MIGHT BE A OUR UTOPIA, THEN HOPEFULLY, MY DAUGHTER WILL SEE. BUT, UM I DO BELIEVE THAT THE MORE WE GET THOSE GUNS OFF THE STREET OUT OF PEOPLE'S HANDS. AND EVEN OUT OF THE POLICE HANDS. UM BECAUSE OVERSEES THE POLICE DON'T HAVE GUNS, ONLY THE MILITARY BUT I KNOW IT AGAIN. THAT'S THE UTOPIA THIS FAR OFF, AND MAYBE SOME PEOPLE CAN'T IMAGINE IT. BUT WHAT I'M DOING IS TRYING TO HELP GET THE PIPELINE OF OUR STUDENTS TO STUDY ABROAD AS WE'RE DOING THAT VIRGINIA STATE BECAUSE ONCE THEY SEE THAT LAND OVERSEAS THAT LIVE LIKE THAT, MAYBE THEY CAN COME HOME AND WE CAN CHANGE THAT DYNAMIC. UH, THAT'S IT. WELCOME BACK. ALRIGHT NEXT. COUNCILOR MYERS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS TIME, BUT GENEVIEVE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY VICE MARY HILL? YES I JUST WANNA THINK JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO. I DON'T THINK I DID AT THE LAST MEETING. BUT IF NOT, I DO WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO CAME OUT TO MY WARD MEETING ABOUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO. I JUST WANNA THINK, UH, THOSE DIRECTORS AND THE CITIZENS WHO CAME OUT THE MEMBERS OF WARD TO END THE OTHER CITIZENS THAT CAME I JUST WANT TO THANK THEM. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN JONES FOR OPENING UP A SKATING RING AND WAR TOO. I APPRECIATE YOUR BROTHER. I REALLY DO. UM WHAT DO YOU SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO V S. U UH, FOOTBALL TEAM. THERE ARE SEVEN

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SO THANK YOU, MISTER MAYOR APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT. GOOD EVENING. EVERYONE JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT AS WELL. WE'VE HAD A ANOTHER BUSY WEEK IN PETERSBURG. JUST WANT TO THANK, UH SCENTING HEALTH AND MY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE STRONG YOUTH STRONG COMMUNITY, I THINK A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO, UH KENNY MILLER, WHO HELPED ORCHESTRATE THIS, ALONG WITH POLICE CHIEF TRAVIS CHRISTIAN AND THE REST OF PETERSBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO HELPED UM, ESCORT. THE NFL HALL OF FAME WAS BRUCE SMITH, DARRYL GREENE AND NEAR SWIMS ANTHONY MUNOZ. AND IT WAS GREAT HAVING THEM SPEAK TO OUR KIDS THAT VERNON JOHNS MIDDLE SCHOOL PETERSBURG HIGH SCHOOL AND ALSO AT PITTMAN, UM, SCHOOL. UM THE KIDS WERE VERY EXCITED AND THEY WERE VERY WELL RECEIVED. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT SCENTING HEALTH WILL BE DOING AND ALSO THE HALL OF FAMERS PLAN ON COMING BACK TO DOGWOOD TREES GOLF COURSE TO DO SOME GOLF TOURNAMENT TO RAISE SOME FUNDS HERE FOR OUR SCHOOLS HERE IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

UM NEXT TIME ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR SCHOOL BOARD AS WELL. I KNOW MR MOUSE. JONES WAS HERE AT THE LAST MEETING. AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS IN PETER'S BERRY. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT IN OVER 50 YEARS. UM IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR SCHOOL BOARD AND BOND COUNSEL AND DAVENPORT'S ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE NEXT SCHOOL HERE NEXT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HERE IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, WHICH IS GOING TO BE COMING IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, BUT IT'S GREAT TO BE HAVING THOSE. UM THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS ON ON HOW TO GET THERE. UM NEXT IS A VERY BUSY BUSY WEEKEND AGAIN. WE HAVE VIRGINIA STATE HOMECOMING LAST WEEKEND. THIS COMING WEEKEND IS PETERSBURG HIGH SCHOOL HOMECOMING. SO WE EXPECT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN PETERSBURG IN TOWN FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL HOMECOMING SECURITY EVERYONE TO BE SAFE. AND, UM, ALSO RICHARD BLAND COLLEGES HAVING THE PECAN FESTIVAL OUT THERE, RICHARD BLAND COLLEGE WILL BE THERE AT THE PEAK AND FESTIVE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE ELSE TO COME OUT AND ATTEND THE LIVE MUSIC FREE GOOD FOOD FELLOWSHIP. UM AND ALSO OUR SHERIFF. SHERIFF CRAWFORD IS HOSTING A FAITH IN BLUE EVENT OUT AT THE SPORTS COM COMPLEX. SO UM, THERE'S PLENTY OF THINGS GOING ON IN PETERSBURG ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO TAKE PART AND COME OUT AND SUPPORT THE MANY ACTIVITIES GOING ON THIS

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[12. Finance and Budget Report]

[13. Unfinished Business]

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COUNCILOR MARCO SPURT, UH MEMBER JONES COUNCIL MEMBER MYERS COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK, VICE MAYOR HILL PERM PAST NEXT MOVE ON TO ITEM 14 A CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION TO APPLY FOR

[14. New Business]

MADAM COLLECTIVE. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER, CUTHBERT. REMEMBER JONES, VERMEER'S, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK, VICE MAYOR HILL. ALRIGHT PERM I FAST WE WANTED TO

[15. City Manager's Report]

TONIGHT, WE'LL BE BRINGING TO THE PODIUM. THE LEADER OF INDEPENDENT HYDROGEN THIS COMMANDER U S NAVY RETIRED BILL LERNER. HE'S GOING TO MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ABOUT THE HYDROGEN PRODUCTION INDUSTRY THAT'S COMING OUT IN WARD SEVEN. IT'S NEXT TO THE BLEACH TECH.

OH, COMPANY. MR VERNON. WHY HE'S COMING UP. HIS CALL. SIGN IS SLOW. I'M GONNA HAVE HIM EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS. I. GOOD EVENING, MR MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING BEFORE WE GET STARTED. I JUST WANT TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO MR MORE THE CITY OF PETERSBURG TO YOU. UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE BLEACH TECH FOR GETTING US STARTED HERE AND BEING ABLE TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. SO AS A AS MR MORRIS SAID, MY NAME IS BILL LEHNER AND I'M THE FOUNDER AND CEO OF INDEPENDENCE. HYDROGEN AND WE MANUFACTURE AND DISTRIBUTE GASEOUS HYDROGEN LOCALLY TO KEEP THE CARBON THE COST DOWN. I HAVE A PRESENTATION . I HAD ONE WITH. I GUESS WE JUST DIDN'T GET IT IN TIME. AND BUT I COULD PROBABLY JUST WITH SOME UPDATED PICTURES, BUT I JUST KIND OF TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AT THE COMPANY RIGHT NOW. SO WHAT WE DO IS AS I SAID, WE MANUFACTURE HYDROGEN AND KEEP IT, UH, GASSES ONLY AND PROVIDED LOCALLY. UH MOST HYDROGEN TODAY IS MADE IN THE GULF STATES ARE IN QUEBEC. IT'S LIQUEFIED SHIPPED ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. WHATEVER IS NOT USED THERE FOR PETROLEUM REFINING OR AMMONIA PRODUCTION OR STEEL PRODUCTION. AH THE LIQUID FICATION PROCESS OF HYDROGEN IS VERY COMPLEX, EXPENSIVE. VERY ENERGY INTENSIVE. AND, UM WHAT WE DO IF WE MAKE THE HYDROGEN LOCALLY AND KEEP IT LOCALLY AND NEGATES THE NEED FOR LIQUEFYING HYDROGEN, AND SO WE CAN KEEP THE CARBON AND THE COST DOWN. AH, OUR FIRST

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WE GET IT TO A FUEL CELL GRADE HYDROGEN, AND THEN I WOULD DELIVER TO OUR CUSTOMERS. UH ONE OF OUR CUSTOMERS IS IN THE LOCAL AREA. IT'S A BIG BOX RETAILER, AND WE'VE STARTED SERVICE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO. UH OUR PLAN IS EVEN THOUGH WE'RE USING SOMEBODY ELSE'S HYDROGEN RIGHT NOW WE'RE OUR PLAN IS IN THE FINAL STAGES OF BEING COMMISSIONED. AND, UH, WE HAVE. AS I SAID, PART OF THIS PLATFORM WE HAVE FOR DECENTRALIZED HYDROGEN. WE ARE EXTENDING IT TO THE ENTIRE EAST COAST. UM, WE ARE BETTER KNOWN COMPANY. WE'VE DONE 34 FUNDING ROUNDS 13 WITH ANGELS INVESTORS AND THEN OUR FOURTH FUNDING AROUND WAS WITH SUBURBAN PROPANE . THERE ARE THE NATION'S THIRD LARGEST PROPANE DISTRIBUTOR IN THE COUNTRY. UM WE HAVE ABOUT 100 YEARS OF HYDROGEN EXPERIENCE ON OUR TEAM THAT WE'VE RECRUITED TO THE 27 MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM. MOST OF US ARE VETERANS. I USED TO DO SOME PRETTY COOL DYNAMIC ON ITS OWN TO HAVING A COMPANY WITH ABOUT 70% EITHER VETERANS OR THE MILITARY OR DEFENSE OR FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY. AND THEN FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO PAUSE AND GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO QUESTIONS FOR I DO. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL, THERE WAS A $7 BILLION HYDROGEN HUB APPLICATION COMPETITION YOU MIGHT HAVE SAW ON THE NEWS LAST WEEK. UM INDEPENDENCE. HYDROGEN WAS ONE OF THE ORGANIZATIONS INVITED TO SUBMIT, UH, ONE OF 33 TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY FOR HYDROGEN HUB, AND I THANK THE CITY OF PETERSBURG FOR JOINING US ON THAT ON THAT THAT PROPOSAL WE DID NOT WIN, OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY WAS ON THE PRESIDENT ANNOUNCED IT. AH, THE LAST WEEK, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THESE OTHER HYDROGEN HUBS AND BEING ABLE TO MAYBE PARTICIPATE AND BE ABLE TO LINK THESE HYDROGEN HUBS RIGHT HERE AT PETERSBURG. SO WITH THAT I'D BE HONORED AND PRIVILEGED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. QUESTIONS. REMEMBER THE COUNCIL COUNCILMAN JONES? HOW YOU DOING? VERY WELL, SIR. ALRIGHT, SO WHICH YOU HYDROGEN PRODUCTION AND MANUFACTURING OF ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WITH MANUFACTURING HYDROGEN IS WATER SCARCITY, AND I KNOW WHAT SEVEN OR THE WHOLE CITY. FOR THAT MATTER, UM, WATER IS IMPORTANT TO US. IT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. HOW OLD ARE YOU GUYS? UM GOING TO REGULATE THAT. THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION WERE THE BLEACH OR THE HYDROGEN IS ALREADY MADE. AND SO THAT PROCESS WITH THE BLEACH TECH AND THE AND THEIR PROCESS THEY'RE ALREADY USING THE WATER.

WE DO NOT NEED ANY EXCESS WATER TO BE ABLE TO DO. THAT OF THE HYDROGEN IS LITERALLY BEING VENTED THE AIR. WE JUST CAPTURE IT WITHOUT MINIMAL AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY TO AND THEN WE PROVIDED TO OUR CUSTOMERS. OKAY UM, NEXT QUESTION IS, UH, PRODUCING HYDROGEN. UM CLIMATE CHANGE. HOW DO YOU ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE? BECAUSE, UM DEALING WITH HYDROGEN. YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE PRODUCTION OF METHANE AND WATER VAPORS AND THINGS THAT I NEED TO KNOW HOW YOU GUYS ADDRESSING THAT SO THANK YOU. VERY EXCELLENT QUESTION ARE HYDROGEN THAT WE ARE CAPTURING FROM THIS PLAN IS WHAT WE CALL RECYCLING WASTE GAS. UH, THIS IS THIS IS A PIPE PRODUCT FROM A PRODUCTION FACILITY. THAT'S JUST BEING BENT IN THE AIR. SO WE DO IS WE ASK BLEACH? CHECK BLEACH TECH IF WE COULD BUY THEIR HYDROGEN FROM THEM ESSENTIALLY WERE BUYING THEIR TRASH THAT'S OTHERWISE BEING BENT IN THE AIR OR CAPTURING IT AND DELIVERING OUR CUSTOMERS. IF THE CUSTOMERS DID NOT HAVE THAT HYDROGEN, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO AND GET USED FOSSIL GAS OR FOSSIL FUELS TO PROVIDING ELECTRICITY. AN EXAMPLE IS FORKLIFTS AND DISTRIBUTION CENTERS. YOU KNOW THEY THEY GO TO THE GRID, BUT WE'RE DOING IS FREEING UP THAT POWER AND BEEN BEATEN BY DELIVERING THE HYDROGEN IT AS OTHERWISE BEING WASTED. SO ESSENTIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE HYDROGEN IS BOTH THE MEANS OF STORING AND TRANSPORTING ENERGY.

AND WHEN YOU'RE JUST PUTTING HYDROGEN INTO THE AIR YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY WASTING ENERGY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TRYING TO FIX THAT AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF CLIMATE CHANGE RIGHT HERE IN

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THANK YOU. UM, QUESTION COUNSELOR WESTBROOK. UM, THANK YOU, MR LEHNER. UM NOT GOING TO GET TOO MUCH AS I CATCH UP. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY. MY ONLY THING IS I HEAR ABOUT, UM, UH, UTILIZING PETERSBURG. BUT THERE IS A WAY TO ENGAGE THE YOUTH OF PETERSBURG BECAUSE TO ME THIS IS CHEMISTRY CLASS OF FIELD TRIP WAITING TO HAPPEN. SO IT'S ARE YOU PREPARING TO INVOLVE THE YOUTH TO ACTUALLY NOW? PUT WHAT THEY'RE LEARNING IN CHEMISTRY CLASS, FOR EXAMPLE, ACTUALLY SEE IT IN WORK. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET MY DAUGHTER'S DOWN, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO, UH, ENGAGE THAT I'D HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT WITH MY ENGINEERING TEAM. IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL GAS PLANT AND YOU SAY OUR CORE VALUES ARE SAFETY, INTEGRITY AND LEADERSHIP SAFETY BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, SO I HAVE TO JUST EVALUATE THAT FIRST TO SEE IF THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT I WOULD BE WOULD BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT AND PROVIDE THAT WITH MR MORE BECAUSE I THINK I MEAN, WE ALWAYS WILL LOOK FOR BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES, BUT I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM AGAIN ABOUT ENGAGING THE CITY THAT WE CAN GET BEHIND YOU AND AGAIN NOT TO BRING THE WHOLE HIGH SCHOOL OUT, BUT, UH, TO DEFINITELY GET THE YOUTH TO SEE THINGS ACTUALLY EMOTIONAL. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE. IT'S A FANTASTIC IDEA. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. JUST A ONE LAST COMMENT. I'VE THE CITY MANAGER WE'VE INVESTED ABOUT $12 MILLION INTO THIS PROJECT ALREADY. WE HAVE SIX IMPORTANT EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY RIGHT NOW THAT LIVE IN THE LOCAL AREA. UH BUT WE OFTEN HAVE 27 OF US ARE OFTEN LIKE HE I LIVE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA. I'M HERE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK, ASSUMING TOO TWO OR THREE DAYS A WEEK AND JUST BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU JUST SOME OF THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE HAVING, AND THEN CONTINUING ON AS WE AS WE DEVELOP OTHER HYDROGEN PLANTS ALONG THE EAST COAST. WE KIND OF SEE PETERSBURG AS THE CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR US TO DO TRAINING FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO AND THAT'S KEY FOR THE NEW HYDROGEN ECONOMY IS BRINGING ABLE TO BRING NEW. THIS IS A VERY SMALL HYDROGEN. UH SECTOR BEFORE AND IF WE'RE GOING TO TRANSITION, THE ENTIRE ENERGY ECONOMY TO HYDROGEN TO BE TRAINING FOR US, AND I THINK IT'S ALL GOING TO BE ORIGINATING HERE IN PETERSBURG. SO UH, I AGAIN THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. MR MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN COOPER. IF YOU HAD A QUESTION, I'M SORRY. NO, NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR MAYOR. I DON'T THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM MR ONE LAST ITEM. WE GOT A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FROM ABOUT A MONTH AGO WHEN WE MENTIONED ONE R ONE ALREADY, WHICH WAS THE PALESTINIAN STREET PROPERTY. QUESTIONS WERE ASKED ABOUT 1 25 MARKET STREET AND WHERE WE WERE WITH THAT. AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WE WERE OCTOBER 11TH WAS THE COURT DATE. WE WENT TO COURT. THAT CASE HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO NOVEMBER, 1ST. AND THEN, UH, MY PHONE WENT OUT HERE. LET ME GET IT BACK UP. AND THEN THE OTHER WAS 5 21, SOUTH SYCAMORE STREET. AH WE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES CONTENT. SO IN THIS CASE, THE OWNER IS DECEASED, AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WITH TRYING TO IDENTIFYING THE AIR. SO WHERE WE WERE KNOCKED OFF AUGUST WAS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WAS CONTACTING THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE AIR AND THEN OV WAS MAILED TO THE ONLY KNOWN AIR ALONG WITH THE REPAIR DEMOLISHED LETTER. AND NOW NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IS ALSO PROCEEDING TO ATTEMPT TO GET THIS THROUGH MOVE THROUGH THE PROPERTY TAX SALE PROCESS AND THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THE PROPERTY BECAME ELIGIBLE FOR TAX SALE, SO WE'RE MOVING FAST WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT PROPERTY. OKAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR

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NEXT ITEM 18 HOLD UP BEFORE WE ENJOY EARNED OR JUST EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE HAVE A WHAT'S CALLED ALSO THIS WEEKEND CALLED A POSITIVE ABS ONLY MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS DATE. THE 21ST.

THERE'S ALSO THIS WEEKEND IS A BUSY WEEKEND. JUST GOT THAT FROM FROM SHALONDA ROYSTER. SO PLEASE COME OUT IN A 10 THAT EVENT AS WELL. THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE PARK. IT'S POPULAR LINE PART ALL RIGHT. NEXT MOTIONS TO ADJOURN.

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