Jun 18, 2024 Regular City Council Meeting

MEETING. NEXT IS ITEM THREE. ADJOURNMENT. THAT MEANS IS ADJOURNED, NEXT WE MOVE RIGHT ON

[1. Roll Call]

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COUNCIL MEMBER. MYERS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH.

PRESENT. MAYOR HERE. NEXT. COUNCILWOMAN SMITH LEE WILL LEAD US IN OUR OPENING PRAYER. LET US BOW OUR HEADS IN CELEBRATION OF JUNETEENTH. WE PRAY, OH LORD, FOR CHANGE. JESUS, YOU REVEAL GOD THROUGH THE WISE WORDS OF LOVE AND DEED. WE ENCOUNTER YOU STILL TODAY IN THE FACES OF THOSE WHOM SOCIETY HAS PUSHED TO THE MARGIN. GUIDE US THROUGH THE LOVE YOU REVEAL TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF JUSTICE, TO PROCLAIM THAT ALL PEOPLE MIGHT DWELL IN HARMONY, PEACE UNITED BY ONE LOVE, AND BIND US EACH TOGETHER. HEAVENLY FATHER, JUST KEEP BLESSING US EACH AND EVERY DAY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, WHAT OUR PURPOSE WE'RE HERE TO SERVE. SERVE, LORD, UNDER YOU FOR THE SICK, THE NEEDY, THE SHUT IN, AND THOSE WHO CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. LORD, JUST KNOW THAT WE CONTINUE TO JUST LOOK UP TO YOU, AND WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE EVERYTHING ALRIGHT. IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN, AMEN. NEXT, CAN EVERYONE PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS . ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THIS IS ITEM FOR DETERMINATION OF THE

[4. Determination of the Presence of a Quorum]

[5. Proclamations/Recognitions/Presentation of Ceremonial Proclamations]

[6. Responses to Previous Public Information Posted]

[7. Approval of Consent Agenda]

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COUNCIL MEMBER CUTHBERT. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. JONES. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. MYERS. EYE AND ABSTAIN. COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. LEE. AYE. MAYOR AYE. RIGHT. NEXT

[8. Official Public Hearings (Part 1 of 2) ]

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IT USED TO BE FUNDED AT THE CORRECT LEVEL. AND IN THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT WAS NOT, SO WE RETURNED THAT BACK TO THE CORRECT LEVEL WHERE IT SHOULD BE , SO FOR COURTS AND OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY, THERE WAS A 6% INCREASE HERE, AND THAT'S JUST DUE TO INFLATION. AND THERE WERE SOME RENT INCREASES FROM THE, THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY ARE HOUSED IN. GENERAL SERVICES HERE WE HAVE 12% INCREASE AND THAT IS MAINLY DUE TO THE INCREASE IN REFUSE COLLECTION COSTS. SO HERE WE HAVE SOCIAL SERVICES INCREASE BY 5, AND THEN LEISURE AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS INCREASED BY 14. AND THAT IS DUE TO THE ADDITION OF THE TURF DIVISION, THAT WILL BE HOUSED UNDER LEISURE AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS. OKAY. DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES INCREASED BY 17, AND THAT IS MAINLY DUE TO THE ADDITION OF THE FOUR, PROPERTY INSPECTOR POSITIONS THAT WERE CDBG, CDBG FUNDED, WE NOW ABSORB THEM BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND, SO THE RETURN OF THOSE FOUR POSITIONS IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH TAKEN UP. THE MAJORITY OF THAT INCREASE UNDER CODE ENFORCEMENT. OKAY. SO HERE WE HAVE FIRST HALF OF NON-DEPARTMENTAL, ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE THERE THAT HAS A. IT WAS HOUSED UNDER DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS FOR THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE, WE'VE PULLED EVERYTHING OUT OF DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS AND GAVE EVERYTHING ITS OWN LINE JUST TO HAVE A CLEAR VIEW OF WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING, HERE IS THE SECOND PAGE OF IT. SO SO LAST BUDGET CYCLE, THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS WAS $789,281. THIS BUDGET CYCLE, AFTER PULLING EVERYTHING OUT AND TALLYING THAT UP, IS $515,631. SO NON-DEPARTMENTAL DOES INCREASE, EXCUSE ME, DECREASE FROM THE 2324 AMENDED BUDGET, BY OVER $1 MILLION. SO HERE IS THE, JUST THE OVERVIEW OF ALL THE

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SO YOU HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION. THERE'S GRANTS FROM THEM, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS GRANTS AVAILABLE, ARPA, AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, SO WE'RE COMING ON THE TAIL END OF THOSE FUNDS, AS THAT STARTS TO EXPIRE AND F W F DESIGN ASSISTANCE IS NATIONAL FISH AND WILDLIFE FOUNDATION, THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE STORMWATER FUND. WE HAVE THE. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY. WE HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY. WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, WE HAVE HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT. THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THERE'S SOME CITY FUNDS IN THERE. AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE THE FTA, WHICH IS THE FEDERAL TRANSIT AUTHORITY. SO THERE ARE ALL THE AMOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REVENUES THAT WE WOULD BE USING FOR THE FIRST FISCAL YEAR OF THE CAPITAL PLAN TO TOTAL $76,037,335, SO NEXT STEPS ONCE THE BUDGET IS APPROVED AND ADOPTED BY ADOPTED BUDGET BOOK WILL BE FINALIZED, SO THE BOOK THAT IS ONLINE RIGHT NOW JUST HAS PROGRAM NUMBERS, AND FIGURES, BUT THE ADOPTED BUDGET BOOK WILL HAVE THE DETAILED PERSONNEL SUMMARY, DETAIL, OPERATING SUMMARY, THE FULL DETAIL, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN , IT'LL BE POSTED TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AVAILABLE IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND AVAILABLE BY EMAIL REQUEST. SO WE JUST WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO THANK EVERYONE. THANKS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY MANAGER ORMOND FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AND THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. THANK YOU TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS AND PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND THANK YOU TO THE CITIZENS AS WELL, WHO PARTICIPATED AND CAME OUT TO THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK THE FINANCE TEAM FOR PUTTING, PUTTING, PUTTING TOGETHER A NICE BUDGET FOR US. THE THING THAT COUNCIL REALLY REQUESTED WAS TO FIND SOME MONEY TO AND IN INCREASES AND RAISES FOR OUR CITY EMPLOYEES WHO WORK HARD EVERY DAY HERE FOR US, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE AND POLICE IS OUT HERE EVERY DAY, THANK YOU ALL FOR FINDING THOSE FUNDS AND RIGHT NOW I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE FLOOR FIRST FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THEN I'LL HAVE COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, MISS BARBARA RUDOLPH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR PARHAM, BARB RUDOLPH, 1675 MOUNT VERNON STREET, I WANT TO THANK MR. COZIER AND, MR. GLASSER FOR THE EXCELLENT PRESENTATION AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE WORKING ON IT AND INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC AND EVERYTHING. I THINK IT'S REALLY WONDERFUL AND REFRESHING, I DON'T HAVE I'VE TALKED I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT LAST TIME. I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT THE TURF DIVISION, BUT I'M GOING TO ADOPT A WAIT AND SEE ATTITUDE ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE. AND I JUST HOPE AS WE GO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR BEGINNING JULY FIRST, THAT THERE'LL BE REPORTS ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS TO SEE HOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING IMPLEMENTED. AND, MAYBE, MAYBE WE'LL GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MUCH THE, PART OF IT IS, HOW MUCH ARE WE ARE THOSE COST? WHERE ARE THE WITH THE RESOURCES FOR THE INCREASES THAT WE'RE SEEING TONIGHT? I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AN ADDITION OF REVENUE THAT'S FOR THE INVESTMENT, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE HANDOUT BACK THERE. AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE I KNOW THAT COUNCILOR CUTHBERT HAS TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME. SO IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DERIVING SOME INCOME FROM OUR IN OUR UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCES. THAT'S, THAT'S A POSITIVE. I THINK LOOKING AT THE BUDGET THAT MAYBE WHAT FOR YOU ALL TO REALLY BE INTERESTED IN AND MAYBE CONCERNED ABOUT, NOT JUST FROM THE FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, BUT JUST OPERATIONAL, IS THAT THERE ARE SO MANY VACANCIES. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE SLIDES, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEM. BUT YOU NOTICED IN SOME WORK UNITS LIKE SOCIAL SERVICES, I RECALL STREETS, MAYBE UTILITIES. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE IT WAS ONE OF THE THIRD. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE IN I THINK IT WAS IN UTILITIES, BUT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF VACANCIES RELATIVE TO THE TOTAL POSITIONS IN THOSE WORK UNITS. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE I THINK AS

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ACT 22, CENTER HILL COURT, I AM GLAD TO SEE PAY RAISES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE CITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MISS RUDOLPH'S POINT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT, OR A LOT OF POSITIONS, AND NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS, SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE THAT A PRIORITY THIS YEAR. A LOT OF THOSE POSITIONS TOUCH OUR CITIZENS IN VERY DIRECT WAYS, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU PUT EFFORT INTO HIRING THOSE, SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE TIME TO BE EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD AND TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I SEE THE LADY IN THE BACK AND THEN THE GENTLEMAN IS HERE IS MONEY. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL LISA WALDEN, 301 OAK HILL ROAD, I AGREE WITH A LOT THAT HAS BEEN SAID, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS DEALING WITH THE VACANCIES, I KNOW THERE WAS MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT, SOME OF THE POSITIONS BEING COMMISSION POSITIONS, I BELIEVE, WITH THAT. CAN WE HAVE HUMAN RESOURCE LOOK AT RECLASSIFYING THOSE POSITIONS? PERHAPS THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN EVEN FULFILL THE NEED IN THE CITY. DO ALL THE POSITIONS HAVE TO BE A COMMISSION POSITION? I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT NO COMPREHENSIVE REPORT, FINANCIAL REPORT FOR 2023 NOT BEING SUBMITTED FOR THE CITY, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE THE UNASSIGNED, BALANCE, WHAT WAS THE HISTORICAL DATA IF THERE WAS NO REPORT FOR YOU COLLECTED FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ENTITIES WITHIN THE CITY WHO HAD THE ROLE, WHO DID THE WHO DROPPED THE BALL AS FAR AS GETTING THIS COMPREHENSIVE REPORT? THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AS A CITIZEN, WE'LL ASK YOU IN THE REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THERE WAS ALSO MENTIONED A $10 MILLION GRANT LISTED. BUT AT THE END, THE GENTLEMAN YOU SUBMITTED 76 MILLION AS THE FINAL TOTAL IS THAT TO INCLUDE NOT JUST GRANTS BUT OTHER FUNDING ENDOWMENTS, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT CLEAR, TO ME AS A CITIZEN, PLEASE. AND I ALSO WITH THE COURT WITH THE CAPITAL OUTLAY, PROJECT. I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT, BUT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR 2025. IS THAT LIVING DOCUMENT HAVE ANY HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION FROM PREVIOUS YEARS? BECAUSE IT'S A 2025. ARE WE IN A PHASE NOW THAT WE'RE MOVING CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR 2025, OR IS THIS SOMETHING NEW THAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS DOING, AND I LOOK AT A COURTHOUSE, I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE CITIZENS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH BUILDING INSTITUTIONAL SIZED THINGS. BUT WE ARE NOT IMPROVING OUR SCHOOLS. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR I THAT SCHOOL, WALNUT HILL. I WENT TO THAT SCHOOL MYSELF. I WENT TO THAT SCHOOL AND THAT SCHOOL IS STILL IN EXISTENCE. AND THERE IS NO NEW SCHOOL THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR THE CITY OF PETERSBURG , AND THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER RASHAD GREEN. 237 NORTH SYCAMORE. I'M EMPLOYED THERE WITH THE LEGAL AID JUSTICE CENTER, AND I LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE 2,865,000

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UNPROFESSIONAL. I HAVE A VOUCHER, BUT I CAN'T FIND ANYWHERE LIVABLE FOR HER THREE CHILDREN. WE'RE CURRENTLY LIVING IN WITH A SERIOUS INFESTATION OF ROACHES AND MICE. AND WHEN I ASKED THEM TO COME SPRAY OR TO FIX MY KITCHEN SINK, WHICH HASN'T WORKED IN MONTHS, I'M TOLD YOU'RE MOVING ANYWAY. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. AND LAST ONE FROM PENN OAKS. I'M GETTING INFO ABOUT WHEN I'M NOT GETTING INFO ABOUT WHEN I HAVE TO MOVE. ALTHOUGH THEY TELL ME PIN OAKS IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED AT SOME POINT. ME AND MY CHILDREN ARE LIVING WITH AN INFESTATION OF ROACHES. LAST SPRING WAS 90 DAYS AGO WITH NO IMPROVEMENT. WHEN I CALLED THE PROPERTY MANAGER. I NEVER GET CALLBACKS, EVEN IF WE EVENTUALLY HAVE TO RELOCATE, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THOSE COMMENTS, GET THEM ON THE RECORD FOR RESIDENTS IN PUBLIC HOUSING, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE TRANSITION INTO A SAFER AND A BETTER LIVING CONDITION. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, AGAIN, THIS IS OUR COMMENTS ON THE 2000 2425 PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET, ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO COMMENT ON THE BUDGET, THE YOUNG LADY IN THE BACK. HELLO. HOW Y'ALL DOING? GOOD. GOOD EVENING, I JUST HAD, LIKE, PROBLEMS WITH, LIKE, AS FAR AS PEOPLE. THAT'S LIKE LIFE AND DANGERS WITH THEIR FAMILY. AND CRIMES, WITH VICTIM WITNESS, LIKE, YOU GO THERE AND YOU TRY TO GET HELP AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, GO PAY FOR IT AND BRING A RECEIPT BACK WHEN YOU'RE IN DANGER. THERE'S THERE HAS TO BE A BUDGET FOR THE SAFE PEOPLE IN THE CITY. AND, AS FAR AS WITH THE PARKS, WE HAVE NO PARKS FOR THE CHILDREN. LIKE A LOT OF KIDS GOING AROUND DOING A LOT OF STUFF. AND IF WE HAVE NOTHING HERE FOR THEM TO DO, WHAT WOULD THEY DO? THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO BUT PICK UP NEGATIVITY, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, COULD YOU HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? TAMIKA WARREN. TAMIKA WARREN. THANK YOU. AND SOUTH MARKET STREET. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. YES, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CHERYL BROWN, 1860 WESTOVER AVENUE, JUST QUICKLY, I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING THAT SAID, $42 MILLION UNASSIGNED. DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF POOL THAT THE CITIZENS CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN VOTE ON IT LATER TO USE THOSE UNASSIGNED FORMS? HOW DOES THAT WORK? COULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN THAT FOR THE UNASSIGNED FUNDS? OKAY THANK YOU, YES, MISS HOWARD? YEAH, I'M HERE IN THAT. HEARD THAT COMMENT ABOUT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE INFESTATION, THE INFESTATIONS AND THE RATS AND THE ALL THAT, SOMETHING IS NOT BEING TOLD CORRECTLY, SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE IT ON THE RECORD AS WELL. AND THEN I WILL DEFINITELY SPEAK TO THIS GENTLEMAN ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING THOSE COMPLAINTS. SO I WANT THIS ON THE RECORD AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS HOWARD. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO MORE HANDS. THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. NEXT. COUNCILMAN JONES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, WHERE DO I START? $76 MILLION. THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE. WE'RE PAYING $76 MILLION. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO. WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING THE LAVISH LIFE WORKING

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MAKE IT. MAKE SENSE. HOW CAN I GIVE MONEY TO SOMEBODY THAT SAY THEY NEED MONEY? BUT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HE GOT? WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING HOME AND TAKE HOME VEHICLES. THAT'S A COST. THEY DON'T RESPOND BACK TO THE CITY FOR NOTHING. YOU GOT PEOPLE THAT LIVE HOURS AWAY WITH TAKE HOME VEHICLES. THAT'S A COST. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT COST. WE'RE GIVING MONEY TO.

PLACES THAT I NEVER EVEN HEARD OF. A CHANGE OR EFFECT ON ANYTHING OR ANYBODY IN THIS CITY FOR ONE, WE HAVE VIRGINIA STATE UNIVERSITY HERE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THE NAME ON IT. I SEE LONGWOOD, WHAT IS LONGWOOD DOING FOR OUR COMMUNITY? I SEEN RICHARD BLAIR ON THERE, BUT I SEE BRIGHTPOINT, LONGWOOD GETTING $9,000 BRIGHTPOINT GET $4,000 AND METRO BUSINESS LEAGUE, WHOEVER THEY ARE, GETTING $65,000. WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND $76 MILLION. IT'S INCREASING. AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE VACANCIES, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT THESE VACANCIES, BUT THE BUDGET GO UP. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE. WE ARE GOT SERIOUS ISSUES IN OUR DEPARTMENTS. FIRE DEPARTMENT, Y'ALL. ONE OF THEM I EXPECTED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S ALL I GOT. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN COOPER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. CITY MANAGER , IF WE HAD PASSED THE BUDGET ON MAY 21ST, WOULD WE HAVE HAD $1.4 MILLION LEFT OVER TO USE TO REDUCE THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE AND STILL GIVE THE POLICE AND FIRE A 10% RAISE IN THE SHERIFF STAFF, A 5% RAISE. WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE $1.4 MILLION IN THE BUDGET, AT THE MAY 21ST PUBLIC HEARING IS WHEN THE MOTION WAS MADE TO TABLE THE BUDGET TO PROVIDE THE INCREASES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE , AND TO INCLUDE THE LGIP $1.4 MILLION IN THE BUDGET. SO WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THAT $1.4 MILLION. WE COULD HAVE ACCOMMODATED THE RAISES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BY UTILIZING THE $1.3 MILLION WE HAD IN THE BUDGET FOR THE CLASS AND COMP ADJUSTMENTS MID-YEAR. BUT WE COULD HAVE USED THOSE FUNDS TO ADDRESS THE ROUGH LI, THOSE FUNDS TO ADDRESS THE INCREASES. BUT I THINK ONCE WE GOT FURTHER INTO LOOKING AT THE INCREASES, IF I'M CORRECT, MR. KERSHAW, THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY INCREASES WERE, NOT IN LINE. SO, YEAH, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN WE DID OUR PRELIMINARY, LIKE RIGHT AFTER THE LAST MEETING. ONCE WE WENT THROUGH AND ACTUALLY TOUCHED EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEES NAME AND ALL OF THAT, WE GOT A BETTER, ACCURATE NUMBER. SO, YEAH, LIKE, LIKE THE CITY MANAGER IS SAYING, THAT THAT NUMBER WAS NOT AVAILABLE BEFORE. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU.

IF WE HAD PASSED THE BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US ON MAY 21ST, WOULD WE HAVE HAD $1.4 MILLION? NO TO REDUCE THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE? NO. THE $1.4 MILLION WAS AS A RESULT OF THE DIRECTIVE AS THE MOTION MADE ON THE 21ST, FOR US TO INCLUDE THE ESTIMATED INTEREST FOR LGIP IN THE BUDGET.

IT WAS NOT IN THE BUDGET PRIOR UNTIL THE MOTION WAS MADE ON THE 21ST, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT GOT ADDED IN. RIGHT? SO THE MAY 21ST BUDGET DID NOT INCLUDE THE $1.4 MILLION. CAN WE AGREE ON THAT? YES THAT'S OKAY. SO IF WE PASS THE BUDGET ON MAY 21ST, WOULD WE HAVE HAD THE $1.4 MILLION TO USE TO REDUCE THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE AND STILL GIVE THE POLICE AND FIRE A 10% RAISE? AND THE

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RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT WE ARE NOT. AT MAY 21ST MEETING, WE ARE AT JUNE 18TH MEETING. WELL COULD COULD COULD YOU PLEASE BRING WE CAN'T GO BACK IN THE PAST AND RELIVE THE PAST. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS. ALL RIGHT, SO I WOULD I WOULD REQUEST YOU PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HAPPEN. I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION. YES. I MOVE THAT COUNCIL, ADOPT THE MAY 21 BUDGET, WHICH INCLUDES THE 5% RAISE FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND THE 5% RAISE FOR THE SHERIFF AND HER STAFF, AND AGREED TO DISCUSS AT OUR JULY 16TH MEETING WHETHER TO USE THE $1.4 MILLION OF INTEREST FROM THE LGP TO REDUCE THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE. SO THAT IS MY MOTION, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. SEEING SEEING THE LACK OF A SECOND THAT THAT MOTION DOES, I WON'T SECOND. OKAY. YOU CAN SECOND I SECOND IT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOTION A SECOND. AND THAT'S TO NOT GIVE THE ONLY THE EMPLOYEES AND FIRE AND POLICE 5% AND NOT THE REST

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WELL, I ALSO WANT TO BE FAIR TO THE TAXPAYER, WHO IS REALLY BEING REAMED BY THE INCREASE IN ASSESSED VALUE. FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCILMAN JONES AND I WERE ON HARDEN STREET, YESTERDAY, AND, AND A RESIDENT OF HARDING STREET CAME UP TO ME, CAME UP TO US AND SAID, I'M ELDERLY, I'M ON A FIXED INCOME. AND MY ASSESSED VALUE INCREASED 94. OKAY. SO THERE'S A PINCH HERE. EVERYBODY, EVERY BODY, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE TREATED FAIRLY. AND I'M WORKING FOR A BALANCE. THAT'S ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN. THAT WAS YOUR MOTION ON THERE. AND THAT'S TO NOT GIVE IT TO THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES. ONLY 5% OF THE POLICE AND FIRE AND COUNCILMAN JONES. NO, NO, NO, NO. AND 5% FOR THE SHERIFF. AND IT WASN'T NOT TO GIVE ANYTHING TO ANYBODY. IT WAS TO GIVE A 5% RAISE TO POLICE AND FIRE AND A 5% RAISE FOR THE SHERIFF AND HER STAFF. THAT'S RIGHT. AND NOTHING FOR THE REST OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES. WE'RE CLEAR. CORRECT. BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT IN WHAT THE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDED TO US ON MAY 21ST. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS COUNCIL COUNCILMAN CUTHBERT'S MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND SEEING? NO. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY SO YOU GOT A SECOND? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN JONES. SECONDED. I WANT TO DISCUSS IT, TOO. WE'RE WE'RE DISCUSSING IT RIGHT NOW. YES, COUNCILMAN JONES, I DON'T WANT TO, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT MAY 21ST. LIKE YOU SAID, WE ARE IN JUNE, AND I'M LOOKING AT A $1.4 MILLION, BUT WE CAN DO 10% FOR POLICE, TEN FOR FIRE, AND 5% ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING, THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO. WHERE AM I WRONG AT RIGHT NOW? HE'S SAYING ONLY 5% FOR THE POLICE. THE SHERIFF AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. NOTHING FOR THE REST OF THE CITY IS WHAT THEIR MOTION IS. AND MR. MAYOR, WE CAN REVISIT THIS ON JULY 16TH, BUT WE'VE GOT TO ADOPT A BUDGET BEFORE JULY 1ST. SO I'M SAYING LET'S ADOPT THE MAY 21ST BUDGET AND REVISIT WHAT TO DO WITH THE 1.4 MILLION, ON JULY 16TH. WELL THEY GET THERE, COUNCILMAN JONES. WE'RE JUST NOT THERE RIGHT NOW. BUT IF WE GET $1.4 MILLION, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HURT TO GOING ON. AND MAKE THAT MOTION NOW. WELL, YOU WE GOT THIS, THIS, WE GOT THIS BUDGET FOR, TODAY'S MEETING. WE GOT IT BY EMAIL ON FRIDAY, YOU KNOW, AND DO YOU LIKE GETTING THINGS AT THE LAST MINUTE, NO. NO. COUNCILMAN CUTHBERT DOES NOT. LAST MINUTE. I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU DEGRADE CITY STAFF BY SAYING THEY GAVE YOU A LAST MINUTE BUDGET. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET. LIKE YOU SAY, SINCE SINCE MAY. AND THE FINAL BUDGET CAME OUT ON TIME, LIKE I NORMALLY DO ON FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND, MISS HILL, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER? CUTHBERT. COUNCILMAN CUTHBERT ROWE, ROLL CALL, WE GOT A QUESTION. NO, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL. POINT OF ORDER. WE'RE VOTING ON THIS MOTION. YES. WELL, I ASK FOR THE ROLL CALL.

COUNCILMAN CUTHBERT, WHAT IS YOUR VOTE? OH, I VOTE YES. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, COUNCIL MEMBER JONES. YES COUNCIL MEMBER. MYERS. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK I. COUNCIL MEMBER.

SMITH. LEE. NO MAYOR. PERRY. NO ALL RIGHT. THIS TIE. SO THE MOTION DIES. COUNCILMAN MYERS.

YES SIR, MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE BUDGET. THE CURRENT BUDGET MOVING FORWARD.

COUNCILWOMAN SPITZLEY. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. MISS HILL, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER CUTHBERT? NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. JONES STAYING. COUNCIL MEMBER. MYERS, A COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK. ABOUT THE BUDGET. NO COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH. I MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT. TOO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK THANK YOU, CITY EMPLOYEES, FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND FOR

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ALL RIGHT, MR. COFFEE, HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD, MAYOR. HOW ARE YOU DOING? ALL RIGHT. DOING GOOD. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER AND STAFF. MY NAME IS KOFI, AND I'M YOUR CDBG CHAIR ON JUNE 4TH, I CAME HERE AND GAVE A NOT ONLY AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION, BUT IT GAVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE CDBG PROGRAM. I'LL SPARE YOU THIS, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WE DO HAVE 582 $582,410 TO ALLOCATE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO, THE PERSON PRESENTING THE SLIDES, IF WE CAN GO TO, I THINK SLIDE 11, WHICH SHOWS THE SUB RECIPIENTS FOR 2023. AND WE'LL FOCUS BETWEEN SLIDE 11 AND 15. THAT IS THE ACTUAL NUMBERS FOR THIS YEAR. SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. WASN'T IT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE TO APPROVE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDING FOR PROJECT YEAR 2024 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2025. IN THE HANDS FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING? YES MR. NICHOLSON. YES GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR PARHAM, VICE MAYOR HILL IS NOT HERE. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I'M BILL NICHOLSON, PRESIDENT OF PETERSBURG AREA ART LEAGUE. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CDBG ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AS WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. PAL WILL WASTE NO TIME IN PUTTING TO GOOD USE THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUNDING THE FUNDING WILL BE USED FOR THE CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT OF OUR ART PARK, STORMWATER CONTROL AND WATER INTRUSION CONTROL INTO THE BUILDING, AND THE PAST YEAR WE USED CDBG FUNDS IMMEDIATELY TO REPLACE THREE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, REPAIR A ROOF LEAK, WHICH WE PAID FOR SEVERAL IN MONTHS.

SEVERAL MONTHS IN ADVANCE OF THE REIMBURSEMENT, RECENTLY WE INSTALLED A NEW STAGE LIGHTING LANDSCAPING FOR THE ART PARK. FOR PERFORMANCES, WE HAVE BEGUN THE ADDITION OF A CLASSROOM RESTROOM FOR THE CHILDREN AS THERE WAS ONLY ONE. NOW WE HAVE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO HERE SOON, PAL'S LEADERSHIP, CURRENT LEADERSHIP IS AGGRESSIVELY REACHING OUT TO OUR DIVERSE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE COLLABORATED WITH THE CITY FOR 250TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION, VSU, THE APPOMATTOX REGIONAL GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL FOR GREG ADAMS , BON SECOURS SOUTHSIDE MEDICAL CENTER, RICHMOND INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL, VIRGINIA READS BOOK FESTIVAL, LAM ARTS, SWIFT CREEK MILL, WE ARE. WE ALSO OFFER ART CLASSES IN SUMMER CAMPS, WITH SCHOLARSHIPS AVAILABLE FOR LOW TO MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES. A DOWNTOWN PARK AND STORMWATER CONTROL ARE PART OF THE CITY MASTER PLAN. WE ARE COMMITTED TO BOOSTING TOURISM, CULTURAL EVENTS, PERFORMING ARTISTS, FILM FESTIVALS, BOOK FAIRS, FAMILY MOVIES IN THE PARK AND MANY MORE EVENTS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND TO REVITALIZE THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AREA. ADDITIONAL WE ARE ENGAGING WITH DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS TO REINVIGORATE THE POPULAR FRIDAY FOR THE ARTS. THIS GRANT WILL MEET ANOTHER URGENT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEED BY CREATING A GREEN SPACE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO BENEFIT LOW TO MODERATE INCOME RESIDENTS. HUD'S LOCATOR MAP SHOWS THE IMMEDIATE AREA IS MORE THAN 70. LMI WE ARE GETTING AN AVERAGE OF 275 CLIENTELE EACH MONTH BEFORE THE END OF THE, FISCAL YEAR 24, 2024, OUR SUMMER SOUNDS PERFORMANCE, FEATURING JANINE FRANCIS, WILL BRING AN ADDITIONAL 350 ATTENDEES. AND IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS, OUR ATTENDANCE AT THE ART LEAGUE IS UP OVER 1,100. AND WE'VE HAD TOURISM COME IN THAT HAVE UTILIZED LOCAL AIRBNBS AND HOTELS AND WE'RE VERY PLEASED ABOUT THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE HANDS IN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF I COULD, THE PERSON CONTROLLING THE SLIDE, COULD YOU GO TO THE 2024 SUBRECIPIENT. SO THAT WAY IT CAN BE DISPLAYED PLEASE. THANKS. OKAY GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LAVARRO TALLEY, AND I'M THE FOUNDER OF THE NONPROFIT

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OKAY.

DID YOU GET IT THIS MORNING? YOU RECEIVED IT. I'LL FORWARD IT TO HIM. IT WAS SENT TO YOU THIS MORNING.

LIKE DEAD AIR OR RADIO STATION. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DELIVER NOW. OKAY. BUILDING THE ANTICIPATION OF. SO THE BASIS OF THE PRESENTATION THAT I'M ABOUT TO DO, JUST SO THAT I DON'T BELABOR IT, IS TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT, HOW WE MANAGE FUNDS. WE ARE EXTREMELY APPRECIATIVE OF THE MAYOR'S CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER IN REGARDS TO THE CDBG, CDBG MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED THUS FAR. SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW THAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF MANAGING PROJECTS AND SOME OF THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS THAT, WE WOULD NEED. AND I THINK THAT PRESENTATION, WHICH WOULD BE LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES, WOULD HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED. AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD USE IN REGARDS TO THE CDBG FUNDS, IF IT'S APPROVED .

SO IT'S JUST A BASIC OVERVIEW OF THE OFFICE OF RECREATION AND IT JUST TALKS ABOUT HOW WE DEVELOP,

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NEXT SLIDE. SO THE OFFICE OF RECREATION SPECIAL EVENTS AND VOLUNTEERISM, THESE ARE PROJECTS COMPLETED BY THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT PRETTY MUCH IN A TWO YEAR PLAN, PETERSBURG SPORTS COMPLEX, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THESE ARE THE PROJECTS WE'VE DONE. WE'VE BEEN REALLY BUSY, SO I'LL GO OVER THEM REALLY QUICKLY. SO WE RECONSTRUCTED THE BASEBALL FIELD. WE REPLACED FIELD LIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE SPORTS COMPLEX. WE INSTALLED NEW DUGOUT AWNINGS AND RENOVATED THE DUGOUTS ON THE SOFTBALL SIDE. WE INSTALLED TWO NEW BULLPENS. WE INSTALLED WINDSCREEN AND BACKSTOP ON THE BASEBALL FIELD. WE STAINED THE BEER GARDEN, RENOVATED THE VIP SEATING AREA, RENOVATED THE CONFERENCE ROOM, REPLACED THE GENERAL SCOREBOARD, AND INSTALLED FOUR NEW SCOREBOARDS ON THE SOFTBALL SIDE. WE FIXED RETAINING WALLS, REPLACE SIGNAGE, WE STRIPE THE PARKING LOTS, AND INSTALLED NEW HANDICAP MARKINGS. WE RENOVATED THE BATHROOMS, THE CITY MANAGER DID A TOUR. YOU KNOW, HE CAN ATTEST TO THIS. THE FLOORING WAS COMPLETELY DRY ROTTED. WE PAINTED THE CONCESSION STAND DOORS AND COLUMNS. WE COORDINATED WITH DPW FOR NEW PICNIC TABLES AND TRASH CANS, WE CONDUCTED LANDSCAPING AND POWER WASHING. WE UPGRADED THE REFRIGERATOR, FREEZER, AND ICE MACHINE ON THE SOFTBALL SIDE. WE INSTALLED A NEW IRRIGATION PUMP AND THEN THROUGH THESE EFFORTS, WE SOMEWHAT ESTABLISHED A SPORTS TOURISM DIVISION, AND WE HAVE OVER 70,000 SPECTATORS THAT ARE VISITING THE SPORTS COMPLEX ANNUALLY. IT'S JUST SOME SNAPSHOTS. SO THIS IS WHAT OUR BASEBALL FIELD LOOKS LIKE. YOU CAN SEE THE WINDSCREEN THAT WE INSTALLED. THESE ARE THE AWNINGS. A LOT OF THEM HAD HOLES IN THEM. YOU COULD ALSO SEE SOME MORE WORK ON THE OUTFIELD OF THE BASEBALL FIELD. YOU SEE WHERE WE STAIN THE BEER GARDEN. YOU SEE THE SEATING AREA THAT WAS COMPLETELY DRY ROTTED, THE CONFERENCE ROOM, WHICH IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES, SO WE COMPLETELY RENOVATED THAT. AND THEN YOU ALSO SEE THE SCOREBOARD WHERE WE REMOVED THE GENERALS FROM THAT, NEW SIGN. AND THEN WE ALSO STRIPED THE PARKING LOT, BATHROOM UPDATES WHERE WE PAINTED, AND WE FIXED THE BATHROOMS. SO THAT, THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE THAT WHEN FOLKS ENTER INTO OUR ENVIRONMENT. MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS THAT COME TO OUR THAT PARTICIPATE IN OUR TOURNAMENTS, I WOULD SAY CLOSE TO 98 TO 99% ARE NOT FROM PETERSBURG, BUT THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY IN PETERSBURG. HOWEVER OUR YOUTH ARE BENEFITING FROM IT TOO, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A YOUTH BASEBALL PROGRAM AS WELL AS SOFTBALL. AND THEN THIS IS JUST A BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT, TO FIX THE SIGN. AND AS YOU ENTER INTO THE COMPLEX, THIS IS THE RESULT. SO THESE ARE SOME SNAPSHOTS OF TOURNAMENTS, YOUTH SOFTBALL AS OUR MAIN ATTRACTION, ALBERT JONES FIELD, WE INSTALLED A BRAND NEW SCOREBOARD. WE FIXED, THE OPERABLE PRESS BOX.

WE PAINTED CONCESSION STAND AND BATHROOMS. WE INSTALLED STATE OF THE ART, STATE OF THE ART LIGHTS WITH CONTROLLING TECHNOLOGY. SO WE PARTNERED WITH DPW ON THAT PROJECT. WE ADDED ADDITIONAL TRASH CANS, AND WE INSTALLED A NEW FIELD SIGNAGE. YOU CAN SEE THE NEW SIGN THAT ALBERT JONES MINI SCOREBOARD. AND THEN YOU SEE THE SIGN AND THEN THE PRESS BOX, BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT WITH BOND SECURES. YOU SEE THAT THE OLD LIGHTS WERE TAKEN DOWN. THEY ARE NOW UP, SO THEY SHOULD BE READY TO GO WITHIN THE COMING WEEKS, LEGENDS PARK IN WILCOX LAKE, WE INSTALLED NEW SOCCER

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RENOVATE AT THE SPORTS COMPLEX PLAYGROUND AREA. ONE OF THE KEY CONCEPTS TO THAT IS ADAPTIVE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR GRANT FUNDING, REPLACE THE PA SYSTEM ON THE BASEBALL FIELD, RENOVATE THE BASKETBALL AND TENNIS COURTS AT LEGENDS PARK WITH PICKLEBALL LINES. SO WE DID RECEIVE SOME UPCOMING, I MEAN, SOME UPDATED PRICING FOR THAT. AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT. MODERNIZE THE PARK OUTDOOR BATHROOMS THROUGH A COLLABORATION WITH TURF MANAGEMENT DIVISION. SO ALL OF OUR PARK BATHROOMS ARE OUTDATED.

AND THEN LASTLY, ONE OF THE CDBG REQUESTS WAS TO RESURFACE FARMER STREET POOL COMPLETELY, SO I AM MARQUIS ISLAND DIRECTOR. CORNELL HENDERSON IS OUR RECREATION PROGRAM COORDINATOR. CAROLYN

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THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES, SIR. YEAH SO, CAYMAN FIELDS IS NOT YET BEING RECONSTRUCTED. RESTRUCTURED? I WAS WONDERING IF YOU GUYS GOT MY RECORDING. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT WALKING AREA. ALL OF THE CONCRETE. THERE'S VISIONS IN IT, THERE'S CRACKS ALL IN THE CONCRETE. AND I MADE A RECORDING TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT ALL THE, ALL THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED THERE. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE CAMERON FIELD IS? YES. ALL RIGHT. AND WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE FIXED? OKAY OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR CDBG. THANKS AGAIN KOFI, FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND YOUR CDBG TEAM, NEXT, COUNCILWOMAN SMITH LEE, CAN I SAY YES? BECAUSE, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND CITIZENS. OUR KIDS, WE'RE FAILING OUR KIDS IN A WAY THAT WE GOT TO GET THEM TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO JUST IN MY WARD, THERE WERE TWO YOUNG LADIES THAT WERE SHOT. THEY WERE NOT EVEN 18 YEARS OLD GOING TO A GRADUATION PARTY. AND JUST IMAGINE IF THEY HAD A PASSED ON. BUT THEY I THANK GOD THAT THEY ARE LIVING. THEN I, I READ THE ARTICLE IN SUNDAY'S PAPER ABOUT, KAYVON MORGAN, THE YOUNG BOY WHO WAS TEN YEARS OLD, SHOT IN HIS HOUSE , HOUSE. AND HIS MOTHER WAS JUST SAYING THAT SHE HAS TWO OTHER CHILDREN AND SHE MOVED, BUT SHE NEEDS SOMETHING FOR THEM TO DO. AND THEN COUNCIL MAN, JONES AND I, WE'VE BEEN JUST BRAINSTORMING BECAUSE WHAT WE USED TO HAVE AT EACH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS A FOOTBALL TEAM AND SOME CHEERLEADERS, WHERE THE KIDS CAN PLAY A AGAINST EACH OTHER AND WE JUST GOTTA HAVE SOME THINGS FOR THEM TO DO. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE RE-APPROPRIATE THE RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDED FUNDING FOR CDBG WHILE REMAINING THE ADMINISTRATOR OF COSTS OF $116,402 AS LISTED, AND THE BALANCE OF. THE $465,360 TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY OF PETERSBURG PARKS AND RECREATION AND SPECIAL VOLUNTEERING. I THINK WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING FOR OUR KIDS. A SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN JONES. ALL RIGHT, MISS HILL, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MR. MAYOR, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT IS THE MOTION TO ZERO OUT THE CDBG? ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN, ADMINISTRATIVE COST. IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? TAKE OUT. THE $116,482 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, AND THE REMAINDER WILL GO TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION. OKAY MR. ALTMAN, WHAT DOES THAT THROW A MONKEY WRENCH INTO ANYTHING? IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY THROW A MONKEY WRENCH. SO WHAT? WHAT THERE WHAT THE MOTION DOES IS RE-APPROPRIATE, THE FUNDING THAT'S IN THE NON PUBLIC SERVICES PORTION OF THE CDBG BUDGET, FROM, THE MONEY THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR ALAMO ADDICTION RECOVERY CENTER PALS AND, PUBLIC WORKS AND PROJECT HOMES. ALL OF

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THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED HERE INTO TWO CATEGORIES, BOTH OF WHICH MEET THE HUD CODE MATRIX REQUIREMENTS. SO SO THE $31,500, MAYBE I'LL ASK THIS TO, MISS SMITH LEE. MISS SMITH LEE, ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT THE 31,500 EARMARKED FOR THE ALAMO ADDICTION RECOVERY CENTER BE ZERO? NO. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. I WANTED, YOU HEARD MY MOTION. WELL, I, I STATED THE MOTION, AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST ANYTHING, ANY ANY ANY OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS. NONE OF THEM. BECAUSE I HAVE SUPPORTED THEM. MATTER OF FACT, I, I HAVE GIVEN TO ALAMO AND OTHERS. BUT WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM. AND I MADE A I MADE THE MOTION OFTEN, CITY COUNCIL, IF I MAY PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT. SO, FOR INSTANCE, FOR PROJECT HOME, CITYWIDE CRITICAL REPAIR SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A DIVISION OURSELF THAT HANDLES LIKE CRITICAL HOME REPAIR FOR SENIORS AND DISENFRANCHIZED CITIZENS, OR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES BUT NEED CRITICAL HOME REPAIR. WE OUTSOURCE THAT TO PROJECT HOME. SO I ASKED YOU ALL THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE MAY TAKE FUNDING AWAY FROM, THEY PROVIDE A CRITICAL RESOURCE THAT WE AS A CITY DON'T DO. SO THAT'S JUST MY INSIGHT ON THAT. SO IF I MAY, MR. CUTHBERT, WHAT THE SUGGESTION IS, IS TO ALLOCATE. $378,000 TO PARKS AND REC, $116,482 TO CDBG ADMIN OF THIS GROUP HERE. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION DOES. WELL, THAT LEAVES THE ALAMO ADDICTION CENTER WITH NOTHING. AND IT LEAVES PROJECT HOMES THAT MR. ALLEN JUST TOLD US ABOUT. RON COFFEE. I'M SORRY. I'M KOFORDI I'M NOT ANNA. WRONG ONE. HE'S HOLLERED AT ME. I'M SORRY, MR. ANENE I'M SORRY. ADDY. ADDED YEAH, I APOLOGIZE, MR. JUST POINTED OUT THAT PROJECT HOMES TO HELP POOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO STAY IN THEIR HOME, GET HOME REPAIRS, THAT'S GOING TO BE ZEROED OUT. CORRECT. AND INSTEAD OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE PARKS AND REC. BY FROM 212,000, TO, I'LL JUST SAY A MUCH LARGER FIGURE. I CAN'T DO THE MATH.

378, AND OF COURSE, PARKS AND REC IS IN THE BUDGET THAT WE JUST PASSED OUT. HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO PARKS AND REC IN THAT BUDGET? MR. ALTMAN? SO THE BUDGET FOR PARKS AND REC HAS OPERATING MONIES. THESE ARE THESE ARE LIKE CAPITAL MONIES WOULD BE USED FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR SOME TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MR. ALLEN HAD MENTIONED AND TO FURTHER PROJECTS AT, LEGENDS PARK AND OTHER AREAS THEY WOULD BE MADE REALLY MAINLY UTILIZE TO MAKE PARK IMPROVEMENTS IS WHAT THE MONIES HAVE BEEN FOR NOT OPERATING, NOT ADMINISTRATIVE, THAT'S COVERED IN THE BUDGET, BUT MORE, MORE ADDITIONAL MONIES FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO THE OUR KIDS NEED SOME THING. NOW NOW. THIS IS DRACONIAN, AND THERE'S NO THOUGHT ABOUT. THERE'S NO THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT? CHARLIE, WAIT A MINUTE, WAIT A MINUTE. THERE'S NO PROPOSAL AS TO HOW THIS MONEY IS TO BE SPENT. WE'RE JUST GOING TO SHOVEL IT OUT AND FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WORTHWHILE. YOU SEE THE NEEDS, CHARLIE? WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ON BEFORE, IN THE JUNE 18TH, 2024 BUDGET. HOW MUCH TOTAL IS GOING TO PARKS AND REC? CAN YOU GIVE US THAT NUMBER, MR. ALTMAN? SO WHAT WHAT'S THE WHAT WE HAVE IN THE JUNE 18TH, THE BUDGET THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IS THE OPERATING FUNDS FOR THE BUDGET FOR THE FOR THE DEPARTMENT. AND I'M NOT GOING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WHAT THE FUNDING THAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE TO ADDRESS WOULD GO TO ADDRESS MORE CAPITAL NEEDS. PARK IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH AREN'T IN THE OPERATING BUDGET. THERE'S A

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GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. HI COUNCIL. I DID HAVE ONE REQUEST IF POSSIBLE. IS THERE ANY WAY VDOT COULD GO BEFORE ME THAT MIGHT THROW THINGS A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER? SURE. LESS. ARE YOU GOING TO CONCEDE TO THE STAR STUDY? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO. WE'LL MOVE UP, THEN TO ITEM 15 A,

[15. City Manager's Report and Special Reports]

IT STARTS SOUTH OF CRATER ROAD AT 460, WHICH IS EXIT 50, GOES UP THROUGH THE GRAHAM ROAD AND THE 8595 INTERCHANGE ON THROUGH WASHINGTON WITH STREET. AND OUR STUDY AREA GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO EXIT 53. IT INCLUDES 32 INTERCHANGE RAMPS AND 34 OR EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME, FIVE INTERCHANGES, WHICH HAS 32 RAMPS INCLUDED AS WELL AS 34 INTERSECTIONS, 20 OF WHICH ARE UNSIGNALIZED AND 14 HAVE SIGNALS. AND I JUST WANT TO MENTION OUR LOCAL AND REGIONAL PARTNERS. OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CITY STAFF OF PETERSBURG AS WELL AS THE CRATER PLANNING DISTRICT COMMISSION AND THE TRI-CITIES MPO, SO PURPOSE AND NEED WE WHENEVER WE START ONE OF THESE STUDIES, WE TRY TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO. SO IN THIS STUDY, WE WERE TRYING TO IDENTIFY AND ADDRESS TRANSPORTATION NEEDS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA, WHICH I'VE DESCRIBED , AS WELL AS DEVELOP POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS. WE WANT TO EVALUATE THE SOLUTIONS AND MAKE SURE THEY WORK, AND MAKE SURE THEY ACTUALLY DO ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS. SO ON THE SLIDE HERE IS THE DIFFERENT PROJECT NEEDS BY LOCATION. SO I MENTIONED I-95 WASHINGTON AND WITH STREET INTERCHANGE WHICH IS EXIT 52, WE'VE IDENTIFIED NEEDS THERE. WE NEED TO IMPROVE ACCESS AND PROVIDE A GATEWAY INTO DOWNTOWN PETERSBURG. WE WANT TO REDUCE REDUCE CONGESTION BOTH ON THE INTERSTATE AND THE ARTERIALS. WE WANT TO IMPROVE SAFETY AT HOTSPOTS. BY HOTSPOTS, I MEAN WE'VE IDENTIFIED AREAS IN THE CORRIDOR THAT HAVE HIGHER THAN NORMAL SAFETY ISSUES. WE WANT TO IMPROVE SIGNAGE, WHICH WILL ALSO IMPROVE THE DRIVER EXPECTATIONS AND WHICH ALSO WILL HELP BUILDING A GATEWAY INTO THE CITY. AND WE WANT TO PROVIDE MULTIMODAL CONNECTIVITY AND SAFETY. BY MULTIMODAL I MEAN BICYCLE, PEDESTRIAN, TRANSIT, ANYTHING NON VEHICULAR, ON WASHINGTON STREET SPECIFICALLY OFF OF THE INTERSTATE. WE NEED TO PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE CONNECTIVITY AS WELL AS SAFETY, AND THEN REVIEW THE FEASIBILITY OF CONVERTING BOTH OF THOSE STREETS FROM ONE WAY INTO A TWO WAY. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THE STUDY, AND WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SOME SOME RESULTS. AND THEN THE THIRD LOCATION I 85 AND 95 INTERCHANGE THAT INCLUDES CRATER ROAD, WHICH THAT'S TWO EXITS 50 AND 51.

THERE ARE SAFETY HOTSPOTS THAT EXIST. CONGESTION EXISTS. WE WANT TO REDUCE THAT. AND THEN MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS INTERCHANGE MANY TIMES BEFORE. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THESE VERY BIG MEGA PROJECT SOLUTIONS THAT ARE NOT REALLY AFFORDABLE. SO ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WE WANTED TO DO, ESPECIALLY AT THE 8595 AREA, IS LOOK AT PHASING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS OR HAVING SMALLER CHUNKED IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MORE AFFORDABLE AND CAN GET FUNDED. NOW LOOKING AT THE PROJECT NEEDS THROUGH NOT NECESSARILY LOCATION LENS, BUT WHAT THE CATEGORIES ARE. SO SAFETY ISSUES WE HAVE THOSE ALONG WASHINGTON STREET WITH STREET, CRATER ROAD AND GRAHAM ROAD. WE HAVE SEVERAL INTERSECTIONS IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE THE STATE DOES EVALUATIONS FOR SAFETY, RANKING OUR SAFETY ISSUES STATEWIDE. AND MANY OF THE SEGMENTS ON WASHINGTON WITH CRATER AND GRAHAM DO RANK IN OUR POTENTIAL SAFETY NEED. ALSO, THERE'S CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT NEEDS ON SEVERAL OF THE RAMPS AS WELL AS ROADWAY SEGMENTS ALONG 95. THE WAY WE KNOW THAT IS WE LOOK AT FUTURE TRAFFIC BASED ON

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THIS ALTERNATIVE, WIDENS THAT OFF RAMP TO TWO LANES. AND THAT RAMP WOULD BE PART OF THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO ALLOW THE VEHICLES TO FLOW. SO, OFF OF THAT RAMP AND ONTO WASHINGTON STREET. SO THIS ALTERNATIVE WAS FOUND TO, TO OPERATE ACCEPTABLY ON BOTH WASHINGTON AND WITH STREET. THE ONE THING TO NOTE AS I TRANSITIONED TO BUILD ALTERNATIVE TWO HERE IN A SECOND IS, ONE THING THAT SEPARATES BUILD ALTERNATIVE TWO IS THAT IN ALTERNATIVE ONE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO IF YOU'RE HEADING EASTBOUND ON WASHINGTON STREET, LEAVING HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN AREA , AND YOU EITHER WANT TO HEAD SOUTH ON 95 OR NORTH TO 95 CARS, HAVE TO STACK IN THE RIGHT TURN LANE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT TO HEAD SOUTH ON 95, OR YOU TURN RIGHT TO TAKE THE LOOP RAMP TO HEAD NORTH. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE'S, TRAFFIC THAT WE DO SEE LONGER QUEUING AND LONGER TRAVEL TIMES BECAUSE OF THAT CONDITION, WITH A SUCCESSIVE RIGHT SIDE RAMPS, BUILD ALTERNATIVE TWO AT 95 AND WASHINGTON STREET. HERE IS THE SINGLE POINT URBAN INTERCHANGE OR THE SPUI. AND BOTH OF THESE CONCEPTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED DURING THE MARCH, PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING, EXCEPT FOR, ALTERNATIVE TWO. HERE WE ARE ABLE TO ADD THAT

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THIS CONCEPT ALSO INCLUDES THE TWO WAY CONVERSION ON OF WASHINGTON AND WITH STREET, ANOTHER DIFFERENCE COMPARED TO THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS THAT IT JUST REPLACES AND CONSOLIDATES ALL THE RAMPS TO JUST ONE TRAFFIC SIGNAL ALONG WASHINGTON STREET, SO THAT ONE INTERSECTION ON WASHINGTON STREET IS ABLE TO SERVE ALL TRAFFIC TO AND FROM BOTH WASHINGTON STREET AS WELL AS INTERSTATE 95 SIMILARLY PROVIDES YOUR CROSSWALKS, YOUR SIDEWALKS, AND YOUR ADA COMPLIANT INFRASTRUCTURE, THROUGH THE INTERCHANGE AND ALSO WIDENS THE 85 TO NORTH, TO 95 OFF RAMP. YEAH. AND, THANKS, LIZ. SO WE ARE EVALUATING SOME POTENTIAL INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS AT THE OFF RAMP, TO 95 AND BANK STREET, TO BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME EXISTING SIGHT DISTANCE ISSUES AS YOU'RE COMING OFF THE RAMP AND YOU'RE LOOKING TO THE LEFT, YOU HAVE THE OVERPASS OVER 95. THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO SEE TO YOUR LEFT. SO, WITH MAINTAINING THIS ACCESS HERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL ROUNDABOUT AT THAT OFF RAMP TO BETTER SERVE TRAFFIC, MAKING THE NORTHBOUND LEFT TO HEAD WEST ON BANK STREET . AND BECAUSE THE YOUR LEFT TURNS HEADING EASTBOUND ON WASHINGTON STREET TO HEAD NORTH IS SERVED BY LEFT TURN LANES, YOU GET BETTER LANE USE ON EASTBOUND WASHINGTON STREET. SO THIS OPTION OPERATES BETTER THAN BUILD ALTERNATIVE ONE. BECAUSE OF THAT. SO THIS TABLE JUST PROVIDES THE OVERALL COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO ALTERNATIVES, WHICH LED TO THE DECISION OF THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE BY THE STUDY STAKEHOLDERS. SO BOTH ALTERNATIVES ADDRESS THAT SOUTHBOUND TO WESTBOUND CONGESTION. AND SAFETY ISSUES. ALTERNATIVE TO OPERATES BETTER ON WASHINGTON STREET BECAUSE IT PROVIDES BETTER LANE UTILIZATION IN HEADING EASTBOUND TOWARDS THE INTERSTATE. AND THEN ALTERNATIVE TWO. ALSO YOU'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT OFF RAMP TO BANK STREET BECAUSE OF THOSE REASONS.

ALTERNATIVE TWO IS THE SINGLE POINT URBAN INTERCHANGE WAS SELECTED AS THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE BY THE STUDY STAKEHOLDERS. SO I'LL PAUSE HERE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. THERE'S A LOT, BEING SHOWN ON THE SLIDE. JUST WANTED TO PAUSE HERE, SEE IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS . COUNCILMAN COOPER YES, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND, MR. ANDY, THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. AND I KNOW WE ALL DO, I WAS ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN THE ROUNDABOUT AT BANK STREET. CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT? YEAH SO CURRENTLY, IF YOU'RE HEADING NORTHBOUND ON 95 AND YOU GET OFF AT THE RAMP THAT TAKES YOU DOWN INTO BANK STREET, THE, THE GEOMETRY AND HOW THE ROADWAY IS CURRENTLY DESIGNED, IT DIRECTS YOU TO HEAD EAST ON BANK STREET. I BELIEVE THERE USED TO BE A SIGN THERE THAT RESTRICTED THE ABILITY TO MAKE A LEFT TURN, THERE WAS A SIGN THERE. IT'S NO LONGER THERE. PEOPLE MAKE THE LEFT TURN A LOT BECAUSE THAT PROVIDES THAT BACK DOOR TO DOWNTOWN PETERSBURG. SO, AS PART OF THIS STUDY, WE'RE LOOKING AT A ROUNDABOUT AT THAT INTERSECTION TO MAKE THAT MOVEMENT SAFER, TO PROVIDE THAT BETTER SIGHT DISTANCE, TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN, HEADING EASTBOUND AND WESTBOUND ON BANK STREET.

REDUCE CRASHES THERE, AND MAINTAIN THAT RAMP. BUT THERE'S AN ELEVATION. IT'S ON A HILL OR A SLOPE, ISN'T IT? IT'S ON A HILL COMING DOWN. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES THERE THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE JUST STARTING TO LOOK INTO THAT NOW. YEAH. I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER IT'S REALLY FEASIBLE.

YEAH SO WE'RE LOOKING INTO A FULL SIZE ROUNDABOUT BUT THEN ALSO A POTENTIAL WHAT'S CALLED A MINI ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS ABLE TO HANDLE LOWER TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND A LOWER FOOTPRINT, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO NOW, THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH TO MINIMIZE THOSE IMPACTS AND ALSO

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THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. I HEARD YOU SAY WAS A MAJOR QUESTION OF MINE. YOU SAID THAT THIS IS. COULD IT BE IMPACTING TRAFFIC FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS? WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR AN OFF RAMP OR ON RAMP FROM I-85 INTO SYCAMORE STREET WHILE YOU'RE DOING THIS STUDY RIGHT THERE, WHERE IT COULD BE A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT IF, YOU KNOW, SYCAMORE GROVE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. CORRECT? YEAH. SO WE DID NOT LOOK AT DIRECT ACCESS THERE PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE INTERCHANGE SPACING TO THE EAST AS WELL AS TO THE WEST. THAT WAS ANOTHER THING, ANOTHER MAJOR CHALLENGE THAT WE HAD WITH, THE WASHINGTON STREET INTERCHANGE, 95, 85 AS WELL AS CRATER ROAD IS JUST THE INTERCHANGE SPACING THERE. IT IS REALLY, REALLY HARD TO FIT NEW RAMPS OR NEW INTERCHANGES IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE REQUIRED SPACING FROM THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION THAT YOU SAID YOU DID. LOOK AT THAT EXIT STUDY, AND IT'S JUST HARD. YOU SAYING THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, CORRECT? YES. SO THAT THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. SO WE DIDN'T. YEAH. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? WE DIDN'T WE GOT THE QUESTION. WE GOT THE INQUIRY THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE GUYS WANTED US TO LOOK AT, ONE OF THE THINGS IS FHWA, OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS WON'T ALLOW AN ACCESS TO AN ACCESS TO A PRIVATE ACCESS FROM AN INTERSTATE TO A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN ALSO THEY HAVE SPECIFIC FREEWAY HAS SPECIFIC SPACING REQUIREMENTS THAT WON'T ALLOW US TO FIT IT IN PHYSICALLY. IN THE SECOND QUESTION, AGAIN, WITH THE I-85, WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING NORTHBOUND AND YOU ARE GETTING OFF RIGHT, YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT GRAHAM ROW EXIT. SO ARE YOU ELIMINATING THE OFF RAMP TO GO SOUTH? HOW DOES THAT WORK? YEAH THAT'S EXACTLY THAT'S A PERFECT QUESTION TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO TALK THROUGH IN THE NEXT CONCEPT. SO PERFECT SEGUE HERE, MOVING DOWN TO THE 95 AND CRATER ROAD INTERCHANGE. THIS IS A GRAPHIC THAT SHOWS THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR ALTERNATIVE ONE, THE QUESTION RIGHT THERE WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE SOUTHBOUND 95 OFF RAMP. SO YOU CAN SEE DOWN IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND SCREEN, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S A VERY DANGEROUS WEAVING CONDITION FOR FOLKS WHO ARE TRAVELING NORTHBOUND ON 85 THAT ARE HEADING SOUTH TO 95, THAT CONFLICTS WITH FOLKS WHO ARE COMING SOUTHBOUND ON 95 AND WANT TO GET OFF TO GRAHAM ROAD. IT'S LIKE 2 TO 300FT THERE, WHICH IS VERY, VERY SHORT FOR THAT SYSTEM TO SYSTEM MOVEMENT FROM 85 TO 95. SO REMOVING THAT GRAHAM ROAD OFF RAMP GREATLY INCREASES THAT DISTANCE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SITUATE AND GET TO THE COUNTY DRIVE FOR 60 INTERCHANGE. SO REMOVING THAT OFF RAMP, THOSE VEHICLES WOULD TRAVEL FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, AND USE THE EXIT TO COUNTY DRIVE OR FOR 60. AND THEN WE WOULD BE PROPOSING NEW TRAFFIC CONTROL TO SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS THERE TO HELP FACILITATE THOSE MOVEMENTS. AND THEN WINFIELD ROAD WOULD BE RECONSTRUCTED AS WELL, CONVERTED TO TWO WAY TO CONNECT CRATER ROAD TO FOR 60 TO ALLOW THOSE VEHICLES TO GET BACK UP AND ACCESS CRATER ROAD AND THEN SO THAT'S THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION FOR ALTERNATIVE ONE. THIS IS WE ALSO REFER TO IT AS THE FULL RAMP CONSOLIDATION. SO SIMILARLY IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION THERE'S A SHORT WEAVE AS YOU'RE COMING

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YEAH. SO NO, THAT THANKS FOR PROVIDING THAT FEEDBACK. WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER, A HANDFUL OF CONCEPTS HERE TO HELP BETTER ACCOMMODATE THOSE SOUTHBOUND OFF RAMP VEHICLES THAT TAKE THE GRAHAM ROAD. LOOKING AT POTENTIAL LOOP RAMPS IN THE SOUTH WEST QUADRANTS LIKE THE LOWER RIGHT AROUND THE KING AVENUE, LABEL ON THE SCREEN THERE, UNFORTUNATELY, EVERY OTHER OPTION THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HAD SIGNIFICANT RIGHT OF WAY IMPACTS TO THOSE HOMES ALONG THE 9 TO 5 CORRIDOR BECAUSE THOSE RESIDENCES ARE BUILT SO CLOSE TO THE 95 CORRIDOR. SO, WHAT WE ARE FINDING FROM OUR ANALYSIS RESULTS THAT LIKE TYPICALLY ON AVERAGE, THAT ADDITIONAL TRAVEL TIME WOULD BE AROUND 1.5 MINUTES. AND IN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, 2.5 MINUTES OF ADDITIONAL TRAVEL TIME ON AVERAGE. SO IT'S REALLY THE TRADE OFF BETWEEN ACCESS DIRECTLY TO GRAHAM ROAD VERSUS THE SAFETY CONDITION ON SOUTHBOUND 95. YEAH. SO BUILD ALTERNATIVE TWO, DOWN AT CRATER ROAD HERE IN THE SOUTHBOUND DIRECTION. THE DISCUSSION WITH THE OFF RAMP TO GRAHAM ROAD REMOVAL, THAT'S, IDENTICAL TO BUILD ALTERNATIVE ONE. THE DIFFERENCE FOR BUILD ALTERNATIVE TWO IS REALLY IN THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION. BUILD ALTERNATIVE TWO MAINTAINS YOUR NORTHBOUND OFF RAMP, FROM 95 TO CRATER ROAD. SO, THE LOOP RAMP RIGHT NEAR THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC SIGNAL IN THE CENTER OF YOUR SCREEN THERE. SO THIS ALTERNATIVE WOULD INTRODUCE THREE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AS WELL, JUST TO FACILITATE THE SIMILAR MOVEMENTS THAT I DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE PREVIOUS ALTERNATIVE . BUT THIS ALTERNATIVE DOES PROVIDE THAT MORE DIRECT ACCESS FOR NORTHBOUND 95 TRAFFIC. GETTING OFF TO CRATER ROAD. SO THAT REALLY SUMMARIZES THE COMPARISON BETWEEN BUILD ALTERNATIVES ONE AND TWO, AS WELL AS ALTERNATIVE TWO PROVIDES MORE DIRECT ACCESS FROM 95 TO CREATE A ROAD WHILE REMOVING AND ELIMINATING THOSE WEAVES ON BOTH NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND 95. SO ALTERNATIVE TWO WAS SELECTED AS THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE BY THE STUDY STAKEHOLDERS. MR. MAYOR? YES. COUNCILMAN CUTHBERT, MAY I ASK ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF WHEN WE WILL HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING? SO THE THIS NONE OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE YET FUNDED, THE NEXT STEPS ARE IF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE APPROVED, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM, THE TRI-CITIES MPO HAS ALREADY APPLIED FOR THE FUNDING FOR THESE PROJECTS.

WELL, STEP ONE OF THE APPLICATION, WE HAVE A BIG FUNDING GRANT APPLICATION SERIES FOR SMART SCALE, WHICH IS I MENTIONED, THE BIGGEST FUNDING POT FOR TRANSPORTATION FUNDING.

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SO NOW MAYBE THE TIME IS RIGHT. YEAH, MAYBE SOME SMART SCALE IS BENEFIT COST SCENARIO. SO, WE BASICALLY TAKE YOUR BENEFIT SCORE SAFETY, CONGESTION REDUCTION, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND DIVIDE THAT BY THE COST OF THE PROJECT. AND THAT GIVES YOU YOUR RANKING SCORE STATEWIDE, SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ANDY HAD MENTIONED BY REDUCING THE RIGHT OF WAY FOOTPRINT AND MAYBE NOT DOING THE PLANTER BOXES, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR IT THAT KEEPS THE COST DOWN, WHICH KEEPS THE BENEFIT SCORE A LITTLE HIGHER. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO THIS TIME. AND I THINK NOW WE COMPETE AGAINST THE I-81. I THINK I-81 ABOUT TO DO AN EXPANSION RIGHT? YES, YES, I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT BIG ONE THAT'S COMING IS THE I-81 EXPANSION. SO THERE IS SOME FUNDING EXISTING FOR THAT. YEAH. SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT IS ALREADY FUNDED FOR 81 OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND MR. MAYOR, WHAT IS THE DEADLINE BY WHICH THIS COUNCIL HAS TO EXPRESS, WHAT IT WANTS, AS OF RIGHT NOW, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED FROM US TONIGHT? NO, OUR DEADLINE IS AUGUST 1ST. OKAY BY AUGUST 1ST, THE CITY STAFF HAS TO UPLOAD A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT. OKAY, WE CAN HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR YOU AT YOUR ACTION MEETING ON JULY 16TH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION. SURE. ALL RIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT BACK TO MISS SIMON, ITEM C, THIS WAS THE REZONING, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

[8. Official Public Hearings (Part 2 of 2) ]

THEY'RE CURRENTLY ZONED. THEY'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING TO BE ZONED RB. WE HAVE A MIX OF B2 AS, WHICH IS OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AS WELL AS A RESIDENTIAL ZONED DISTRICT. HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THOSE. SUBJECT PROPERTIES AS WELL. AND YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING MAP THAT I JUST MENTIONED. SO WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY AS WELL AS COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY WITH THAT IN MIND, THE EFFECT OF THE REZONING IS THOSE ARE THREE PROPERTIES WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL USES THAN THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO THEY COULD HAVE OFFICES, CLINICS, STUDIOS. THEY COULD ALSO BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE RIGHT NOW AS WELL. BUT FOR THE B2 PROPERTIES ON WEST WASHINGTON STREET, THOSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THEY'LL NOW BE PROHIBITED FROM HAVING RETAIL, RESTAURANT AND ENTERTAINMENT, SO THEY'LL LOSE USES WHILE SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES WILL GAIN SOME USES. YOU CAN SEE A COMPARISON OF THOSE USES RIGHT HERE, TOO. THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT I DESCRIBED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT WAS AN INTERESTING TIME. WE HAD THIS CASE BEFORE GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DURING THE OLD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. NOW WE HAVE THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO BASED ON THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT THE FUTURE LAND MAP REALLY SUPPORTED USES THAT ARE MOSTLY IN TERMS OF SCHOOLS, DAYCARES, HOUSING, PLACES OF WORSHIP AND OPEN SPACE. THAT WAS REALLY THE FOCUS OF THE REVISED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HAVING THAT HISTORIC CORE NEIGHBORHOODS, IDENTIFICATION, FUTURE LAND USE MAP I'M SHOWING THAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT IS

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ANY HANDS YES ONE MISS. SARAH. MR. WOODY, ACT 22, CENTER HILL COURT, I SUPPORT THE DENIAL OF THIS, I THINK THAT AS WE DEVELOP THE CITY, THOSE MIXED USE AREAS, WE REALLY NEED TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITHIN THAT. OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH A BUNCH OF DOCTORS OFFICES ON CENTER HILL, OR ON JEFFERSON STREET, FOR INSTANCE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE OVER THERE AS WELL, CENTER HILL AND JEFFERSON STREET ARE PRETTY MUCH AN ISLAND UNTO THEMSELVES WITH THIS NEW, PLAN. AND SO I THINK THAT BY TAKING THIS STEP, BY DENYING THIS, I THINK WE'RE SETTING A GOOD PRECEDENT TO PROTECT SOME OTHER, RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER HANDS, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. NEXT, I SAME COUNCILMAN COOPER, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MISS AIADMK, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, MISS AIADMK ARE SOME OF THESE ARE SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES OWNED? B2 CORRECT. AND SO IN WHICH ONES ARE THOSE? WHICH HOW MANY ARE THERE? IS IT THREE HOUSES. IT'S 2 OR 3. CAN WE GET THE PRESENTATION BACK UP? YES. THREE PARCELS. OKAY. CAN YOU BACK? BECAUSE I JUST SAW THE THREE HOUSES. I THINK THEY'RE THREE HOUSES. PRESSED BRICK, 19TH CENTURY THAT ARE NOW ZONED B2, WHICH WOULD PERMIT GENERAL BUSINESS. CORRECT, CAN YOU GO BACK, GET ONE MORE, I THINK? YES, IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER THERE. THOSE THREE BRICK HOUSES ARE NOW THEY ARE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES, WHICH I CERTAINLY APPLAUD, BUT THE EXISTING ZONING ALLOWS, A BUSINESS THERE. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A TACO BELL OR A DOLLAR STORE, FORGET TACO BELL, MORE LIKELY ANOTHER DOLLAR TREE OR DOLLAR.

SOMETHING EVEN THOUGH WE GOT ANOTHER ONE ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD GO IN PLACE OF THESE THREE HOUSES AS A PERMITTED USE, AS A USE OF. RIGHT. AM I CORRECT, MISS MARK? CORRECT. THE COMMERCIAL USES WOULD ALLOW A RESTAURANT. RIGHT. SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT GREATER PROTECTION. BUT I SEE THIS PROPOSED, ZONING, CHANGE AS OFFERING GREATER PROTECTION TO THE, THIS SMALL HISTORIC AREA BY, PUTTING BUSINESS USE OFF LIMITS FOR THESE THREE PROPERTIES. I THINK IT'S IT REALLY FRIGHTENS ME WHEN THE ONLY THING THAT STANDS BETWEEN A TACO BELL AND, DEMOLITION OF ONE OF THESE THREE HOUSES, IS THE HISTORIC ZONING ORDINANCE, THE HISTORIC ZONING ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, CAN ONLY HOLD OFF, WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE INAPPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT. IT COULD HOLD OFF DEMOLITION, BUT IT COULDN'T PROHIBIT IT, BUT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE A TACO BELL IN THERE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS INGRESS AND EGRESS AND STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LOCAL DESIGN GUIDELINES. BUT AS OF, THE ZONING ORDINANCE ITSELF AND WHAT IT ALLOWS, IT WOULD ALLOW A TACO BELL, ON THIS CORRIDOR OF HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUME. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS,

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A SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, MISS HILL, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COUNCILMEMBER CUTHBERT, I, COUNCIL MEMBER JONES. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. MEYERS. COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK AYE. COUNCILWOMAN SMITH. LEE I. AYE. NEXT IS ITEM D, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE AMENDING AND RE ADOPTING ARTICLE 25, SUPPLEMENTARY HEIGHT AREA AND BULK REGULATIONS AS SET FORTH IN ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PETERSBURG TO INTRODUCE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. GREAT THANKS, MAYOR. YOU SAID THAT SO? WELL, I'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THE BACKGROUND STAFF WAS PRESENTED WITH A POTENTIAL TEXT AMENDMENT FOR A PLANNING COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION. AND SO WE TOOK IT TO THEM FOR A CONVERSATION. AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN MOVING IT FORWARD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

THE GOAL OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO ENCOURAGE ATTRACTIVE AND ARCHITECTURALLY COHESIVE STRUCTURES WITHIN THE CITY BY INTRODUCING ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENT STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO COMPONENTS OF THIS, IT WILL BE REQUIRING ARCHITECTURAL THEMES FOR NEW PROJECTS IF THEY HAVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR IN OTHER CASES LIKE A SITE PLAN REQUIREMENT, IT REQUIRES OBSCURING JUNCTION AND ACCESSORY BOXES, OBSCURING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. BOTH OF THOSE HAVE EXCEPTIONS FOR INDUSTRIAL USES, AND THEN ALSO MEETING MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR EXTERIOR MATERIALS. ARCHITECTURAL THEMES. SO I TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. SO ANY SITE PLAN OR SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR BUILDING PERMIT WILL REQUIRE THAT AN APPLICANT PROVIDE AN ARCHITECTURAL THEME WITH THEIR WITH THEIR DOCUMENTATION. IT COULD BE WRITTEN, IT CAN BE GRAPHIC, JUST A WAY TO DESCRIBE HOW IT'S CONSISTENT WITH MAYBE THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA OR CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. OBSCURING JUNCTION BOXES AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AGAIN. SO THIS IS IF WE HAVE ANY SORT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, ANYTHING AT STREET LEVEL THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE LANDSCAPED OR ARCHITECTURALLY TREATED IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, DRAW LESS ATTENTION AND MORE VISUALLY APPEALING. AGAIN THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. AND THEN MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AS WELL, MAKING SURE THAT'S OBSCURED FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW AND AGAIN, DOESN'T APPLY TO INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS ARCHITECTURAL MATERIAL STANDARDS. IT REALLY JUST MAKES IT CLEAR THAT NO BUILDING EXTERIOR SHALL HAVE ANY MATERIALS THAT ARE INFERIOR ON ANY OF THE SIDES. IN SOME CASES, PEOPLE DEVELOP STRUCTURES THAT MIGHT BE BRICK AT THE FRONT, AND THEN THEY MIGHT HAVE A LESS, SIGNIFICANT MATERIAL ON THE SIDE. SO THIS IS REALLY SAYING THAT WE NEED QUALITY ON ALL SIDES OF THE STRUCTURE WHEN IT'S PROPOSED, THIS DOESN'T PRECLUDE DIFFERENT MATERIALS. SO WE WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR. THEY JUST NEED TO BE MATERIALS OF GOOD DESIGN FOR CONSIDERATION. AN EXPOSED CINDERBLOCK AND CORRUGATED METAL SHEETS ARE PROHIBITED, AND ARCHITECTURAL METAL PANELS CAN BE ACCEPTED. THEY'RE UP TO THE DISCRETION OF MY DEPARTMENT. AND THEN NEW OR REMODELED BUILDINGS SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA AS WELL.

SO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSIDERATIONS. IT DOES STATE THAT EXISTING ARCHITECTURE IS ONE OF OUR CITY'S GREATEST STRENGTHS. SO WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHILE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MOVING THIS TEXT AMENDMENT FORWARD. RECOMMENDATION ON MAY 2ND. PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT. LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. OKAY THANK YOU. NEXT, WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ORDINANCE TO APPROVE AMENDING AND RE ADOPTING ARTICLE 25, SUPPLEMENTARY HEIGHT AREA AND BULK REGULATIONS AS SET FORTH IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF PETERSBURG. ALL RIGHT. MISS. SARAH 22, CENTER COURT, I DID READ THE PROPOSAL IN ONE OF THE PROPOSALS SAYS THAT THOSE, MECHANICAL STRUCTURES MUST NOT BE VISIBLE FROM STREET LEVEL, HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD, POSSIBLY BE REVISED, SO THAT THEY ARE, OBSCURED FROM VIEW FOR FROM THE BUILDINGS AROUND AND, THAT BECAUSE, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S SOME CONCERN WITH CENTER HILL AND THE COURTHOUSE AND WHAT WILL BE SEEN OUT OF THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE MUCH HIGHER. AND SO WHILE IT MIGHT NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, THOSE, MACHINERY WILL BE VISIBLE FROM MY, MY BEDROOM WINDOW, FOR INSTANCE. AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK A LITTLE

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WELL, I'M CERTAINLY GOING TO VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION, BUT I THINK IN THE FUTURE IT MIGHT BE A GOOD PRACTICE, TO, ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO REVIEW CHANGES TO THE ZONING CODE FOR, NOT ONLY LEGALITY, BUT AMBIGUITY. THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT A LEGAL EYE COULD SEE, AS AMBIGUOUS AND A POTENTIAL SOURCE OF A DISPUTE THAT COULD DEVELOP INTO A LAWSUIT, THAT PERHAPS THE LAY, MIGHT NOT SEE. SO SO, MR. ALTMAN, I DON'T KNOW, IF YOU WOULD TAKE THOSE THOUGHTS OF MINE INTO CONSIDERATION, I THINK IT A STITCH IN TIME SAVES NINE AND ALL OF THAT, MAYBE WE CAN AVOID A PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD COMPLETELY. GOOD. THANK YOU. THANKS MR. MAYOR, I'M READY TO VOTE. OKAY. YES, WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. OKAY, ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER JONES, I, COUNCIL MEMBER MYERS A COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK A COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH. LEE A MAYOR. I MOTION NEXT MOVE ON TO ITEM E, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVING THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS TO PROHIBIT OR REGULATE THE STOPPING, STANDING OR PARKING OF VEHICLES UPON ANY STREET OR ALLEY NOT EXPRESSLY REGULATED BY AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL , BY CAUSING OFFICIAL SIGNS TO BE ERECTED INDICATING THE RESTRICTION. MR. WILLIAMS, HOW ARE YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AND THE NEXT ITEM SOMEWHAT RELATED. THE CODE CURRENTLY HAS AND REFERS TO THE TRAFFIC TRANSPORTATION SAFETY COMMISSION, WHICH HAS NOT EXISTED FROM WHAT I WAS ABLE TO GATHER SINCE ABOUT 2012. IT'S ALL THIS IS DOING IS JUST GIVING THE, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, THE ABILITY TO, DECIDE AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AS IT RELATES TO, STOPPING STANDING OR PARKING THE VEHICLES UPON ANY STREET OR ALLEY NOT EXPRESSLY REGULATED BY THE ORDINANCE OF CITY COUNCIL. SO ALL THIS DOES IS BASICALLY IT UPDATES THE CURRENT CODE. SO TO CHANGE MAKE THOSE CHANGES THEN AND THERE NOT BEING ANY TRAFFIC TRANSPORTATION SAFETY COMMISSION IN EXISTENCE, IT'S JUST KIND OF MOVES THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, IN THAT ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR NOW FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING . THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVING THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS TO PROHIBIT OR REGULATE THE STOPPING, STANDING AND PARKING OF VEHICLES UPON ANY STREET OR ALLEY. WITHIN. I THINK YOU HAVE MY ADDRESS NOW, I DO QUESTION ONE THING, BECAUSE THERE CURRENTLY IS NO ACTIVE TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION SAFETY COMMISSION IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, I AM WONDERING IF THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT FILLED POSITIONS, AND IF SO, WE'RE PUTTING MORE WORK ON DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, WHEREAS THAT WORK SHOULD BE DONE BY TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION SAFETY COMMISSION AND SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO NOT APPROVE

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IF YOU'RE BLOCKING TRAFFIC ON ANY STREET OR CURB OR ANYTHING, THEY ALREADY. THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THIS, RIGHT HERE. SO WHAT? WHAT IS WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? OKAY, SO THIS CAME THIS CAME FROM ME GETTING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT SOME PARKING SPACES THAT THAT WE HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE LINE OF SIGHT ON. WE HAVE A VIEW TRIANGLE ISSUE, A SIGHT TRIANGLE ISSUE ON SOME PARKING SPACES COMING OUT OF A PARKING LOT OR, NEXT TO CITY HALL. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ACCIDENTS, CAN'T SEE DOWN THE ROAD, AND WE'VE HAD SOME ACCIDENTS. SO THE NEED WAS IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE THOSE SPACES, WE HAVE, WE'D GO YOU WOULD GO TO WHAT WAS THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ONE. SO WE NEEDED TO HAVE A MECHANISM IN WHICH WE COULD ADDRESS POTENTIAL ELIMINATION OF THE PARKING SPACES. AND SO THIS WAS THE AVENUE THAT WE CHOSE. CITY ENGINEER WORKS UNDERNEATH, AND ALL THE TRAFFIC STAFF WORK UNDERNEATH. THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE AUTHORITY IN THE HAND OF THE PUBLIC WORKS. NOW, COUNCIL WANTS TO APPOINT THE COMMISSION. THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OTHER ROUTE IS APPOINTED COMMISSION. BUT WE NEED WE NEEDED THE AVENUE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

AND THIS WAS THE AVENUE. I STILL GOT A PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ERECT A SIGN FOR ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, AND THIS SEEMED LIKE AN ISOLATED EVENT. WHEN YOU GO, THERE'S SO MANY BLIND SPOTS IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO MANY BLIND SPOTS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU GO DOWN NORTH SOUTH STREET, YOU GOT AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP THAT PARK HAS CARS ON THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS A CODE VIOLATION. NOBODY'S PUTTING A SIGN UP THERE. SO YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU KNOW? SO OKAY, GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. NO. GO AHEAD. WHAT YOU. SO WE'VE HAD OUR, GENERAL MANAGER OF, STREET OPERATIONS. IS HE BUT. OKAY SO . I HAD HIM I HAD HIM GO OUT. I HAD HIM GO OUT, AND I HAD HIM DO A LINE OF SIGHT STUDY. LINE OF SIGHT STUDY. HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS THE SAME AS MY OPINION. AND WE. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT JUST THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS WOULD DO IT WITHOUT ANY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT IT AND ASK OUR OPINIONS AND DO STUDIES AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO WHO'S GOING TO ENFORCE THIS? SOMEBODY IN PUBLIC WORKS. YES. UNDER WHAT AUTHORITY CAN THEY WRITE A TICKET FOR SOMEBODY IMPEDING TRAFFIC. WE'RE NOT WRITING TICKETS. SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A MOVE? YOU DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. SO WHAT WE WOULD WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE ISN'T WRITING A TICKET. IT'S OUR ABILITY TO ELIMINATE PARKING SPACES. SO WHY DON'T WE HAVE IT AS ELIMINATING PARKING SPACES INSTEAD OF SAYING REGULATE STOPPING, STANDING OR PARKING OF ANY VEHICLES UPON ANY STREET OR ALLEY, WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY ELIMINATE PARKING SPACES FOR CITY ATTORNEY RIGHT NOW, THE CITY CAN'T CREATE A PARKING SPACE OR REMOVE A PARKING SPACE BECAUSE THEY HAVE REFERENCE TO THIS COMMISSION IN ALL OF ITS EXISTING ORDINANCES. AND SO IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO REGAIN THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, THEY NEED TO SUBSTITUTE SOMETHING IN THAT SPACE. THEY CAN EITHER CREATE THE COMMISSION OR ASSIGN IT TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. BUT THE REASON THE TITLE IS WHAT IT IS, IS I BELIEVE THAT'S JUST WHAT THE TITLE WAS AND THE CITY CODE, AND HE JUST COPIED IT

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WE HAVE STAFF THAT CAN GO OUT AND ACTUALLY WENT OUT IN THIS CASE. AND THEN EVALUATION OF THE OF THE REQUEST AND PUT FORTH A RECOMMENDATION WHEN WE GOT TO THE POINT OF THE RECOMMENDATION, WE COULDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE COMMISSION. SO WE HAVE STAFF THAT CAN DO IT. WE MAY HAVE VACANCIES, BUT IT MAY NOT BE IN THE POSITIONS THAT DO THE REVIEW . IT MAY BE IN ACTUAL STREETS WHERE WE'VE GOT OUR WORKERS OUT IN THE STREETS DOING WORK, BUT WE HAVE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THE EVALUATION. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE IS WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CURRENT CODE IS WRITTEN. WE NEED TO MAKE THE CHANGE IN ORDER TO BE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, TO ADDRESS ANY OF THE PARKING SPACE ISSUES THAT IN THE CREATE A SITE TRIANGLE ISSUE FOR US AROUND THE CITY. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE KIND OF STUCK. AND THIS IS THE AVENUE TO TAKE THAT ACTION. IS THIS A JOB WHERE WE COULD EMPLOY TO YOU FOR THE CITY 17 AND OLDER? IS THAT A DIVISION WE CAN PUT THE YOUTH IN? I DON'T THINK IT'S A POSITION WE COULD USE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE POSITION WE COULD UTILIZE THE YOUTH TO ACTUALLY DO THE RECOMMEND. THE ACTUAL EVALUATION THAT WOULD NEED. BUT YOU COULD TRAIN SOMEBODY SO YOU COULD HIRE SOMEBODY IN AT STREETS AND TRAIN THEM TO DO THE WORK. CERTAINLY. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ANYBODY OFF OFF THE STREET, IF YOU WILL, COMING OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. THAT UNDERSTANDS THE ISSUES OF THE GEOMETRY OF THE ROAD, THE SITE TRIANGLE, THE DISTANCE, THE CURVATURE, THE THOSE THINGS. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD TRAIN SOMEBODY TO DO. CERTAINLY THAT'S ALL I GOT, MR. CITY, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT, LET'S, WE'RE BACK NOW FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. LET'S SEE, IS THERE ANY DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSIDERATION OF APPROVING THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS? PROHIBIT OR REGULATE THE STOPPING, STANDING OR PARKING OF VEHICLES UPON ANY STREET ALLEY. MR. MAYOR, MAY I, COUNCILMAN COOPER, MAY I ASK THE CITY MANAGER? MR. CITY MANAGER, DO YOU WANT US TO ENDORSE TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE? IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES. OTHER. OTHERWISE, I WOULD IMPLORE YOU TO APPOINT THE COMMISSION SO WE CAN TAKE THESE ITEMS TO THEM. SO. WELL, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WESTBROOK SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION TO SECOND TO APPROVE IT, MISS HILL, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER CUTHBERT, A COUNCIL MEMBER? JONES NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. MYERS NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK A COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH. LEE I VICE MAYOR. I'M SORRY. MAYOR. NO NEXT IS ITEM F A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVING THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IN LIEU OF NOT HAVING A CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED A TEMPORARY DESIGNATED PARKING AREAS AND HAZARDOUS OR CONGESTED PLACES, AND TO TEMPORARILY REMOVE PARKING IN ANY EMERGENCY SITUATION. PERMANENT REMOVAL OF PARKING SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL. OKAY, SO THIS ONE IS RELATED, BUT IT SAID I KNOW THIS SAYS TEMPORARY.

LET'S SEE. ALL RIGHT. SO IN THIS CASE IT SAYS IN LIEU OF NOT HAVING A CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE, AND IT'S HEREBY AUTHORIZED TO TEMPORARILY DESIGNATE PARKING AREAS IN HAZARDOUS OR CONGESTED PLACES AND TO TEMPORARILY REMOVE PARKING IN ANY EMERGENCY SITUATION. PERMANENT REMOVAL OR PARKING SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT, SO, MR. WILLIAMS, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE IN WHICH, IF WE HAD A COMMITTEE. WELL, THIS SAYS THIS SAYS CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER. THIS IS IN LIEU OF NOT HAVING THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE. SO SOMEONE HAS TO DO THAT IN LIEU OF HIM. AND THEN ANY KIND OF PERMANENT CHANGE WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER. ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND THIS IS CONSIDERATION APPROVING THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IN LIEU OF NOT HAVING A CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS HEREBY AUTHORIZED BY TEMPORARY DESIGNATED PARKING AREAS AS HAZARDOUS AND CONGESTED PLACES AND TO TEMPORARILY REMOVE PARKING, ANY EMERGENCY

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THIS IS HOW THE CODE READS. I JUST SUBSTITUTED PEOPLE IN PLACE OF WHAT WAS CURRENTLY ALREADY THERE. LIKE CITY ENGINEER, WE DON'T HAVE A CITY ENGINEER, SO SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO THAT AND THEN ANYTHING PERMANENT THAT WOULD BE THE CITY MANAGER'S APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT, A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL RIGHT, MISS HILL, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER CUTHBERT, COUNCIL MEMBER JONES. HE'LL STAY . COUNCIL MEMBER. MEYERS. NO COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK. I COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH. I MAYOR I NEXT IS ITEM G A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROPRIATION FOR THE FISCAL YEAR COMMENCING JULY 1ST, 2024 AND ENDING ON JUNE 30TH OF 2025 FOR THE GRANT ID NG 911-080-B ING 911 FUNDING. IT'S NOT MINE. SO ALL RIGHT, MR. ALTMAN. MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO, SO WE CAN APPROPRIATE FUNDING FOR, A GRANT THAT WE RECEIVE FOR OUR 911 SYSTEM, SO WE NEED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ORDER FOR COUNCIL TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXPENDITURES. ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR NOW FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CONSIDERATION. APPROPRIATION FOR FISCAL YEAR COMMENCING JULY FIRST, 2024, FOR THE GRANT ID FOR 911 FUNDING. ANY HANDS, MISS RUDOLPH? THANK YOU. BARB RUDOLPH, 1675 MOUNT VERNON STREET. I'M JUST I WAS CONFUSED BY. AND IT WAS A COUPLE DAYS AGO. I LOOKED AT IT, BUT ON THE AGENDA PACKAGE, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE DESCRIPTION AND THE AMOUNT. THERE WAS ONE. ONE, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO GRANTS. THERE'S THIS ONE AND THE NEXT ITEM, AND ONE OF THEM WAS LIKE 300. I REMEMBER THE NUMBERS. I WISH I'D LOOKED AT IT AGAIN TODAY, BUT IT WAS SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS LESS THAN. BUT IT SEEMED LIKE THE DOCUMENTATION IN THE PACKAGE WAS THE SAME FOR BOTH OF THEM OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, IT'S JUST I DON'T HAVE ANY. I MEAN, I HAVE NO CONCERN. OKAY THERE, IT SAYS 303. I'M LOOKING AT THIS NOW. THANK YOU. BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE BACKUP TO THAT HAD A DIFFERENT NUMBER ON IT I BELIEVE. AND THAT CONFUSED ME. BUT I MEAN, I HAVE NO ISSUE. I'M NOT EXPRESSING ANY CONCERN ABOUT APPROPRIATING THIS MONEY. IT WAS JUST CONFUSING. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO QUICKLY ADDRESS THE CONCERN. SO YOU'RE LOOKING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PACKET, THERE WAS A PAGE THAT HAD THE 37,009, 92, WHICH IS THE OTHER ONE, THE OTHER. SO YEAH. SO WE HAVE TWO GRANTS, BOTH DEALING WITH OUR 911 SYSTEM UPGRADES, ONE FOR $303,191.46. THAT'S THE ONE BEFORE YOU NOW THEN THE NEXT ITEM WILL BE THE 37,000. BUT THAT'S WHAT BUT ONE. ONE OF THEM HAD THE BACK. ONE OF THEM DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT BACKUP. IT WAS IN THE WRONG PLACE. OKAY, WELL, THAT'S. I'M NOT CRAZY. NO, MA'AM. NOT AT ALL. OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER HANDS, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, NEXT, I HAVE DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, COUNSELOR MYERS, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT AS WRITTEN. COUNCILMAN WESTBROOK, SECOND MOTION IS SECOND. MISS HILL, CAN YOU

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UP ON THE FLOOR FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROPRIATION FOR FISCAL YEAR COMMENCING JULY FIRST, 2024 AND ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2025. FOR GRANT NUMBER CRC 010623.

EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCH PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO HANDS. THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED, NEXT WE'LL GO TO DISCUSSION BY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN WESTBROOK, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE GRANT FOR THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL FUND DISPATCH AS LISTED.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN MYERS, SECOND MOTION, A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MISS HILL, COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COUNCILMAN? AYE, AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER I AYE. NEXT IS ITEM I, A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A PURCHASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG AND NEW WAVE DEVELOPMENT TOWARDS THE SALE OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY AT FOUR ROSS COURT PARCEL.

031-0400356 ROSS COURT. PARCEL 03 1040 0369 ROSS COURT, PARCEL 031-040045 AND 12 ROSS COURT.

PARCEL 031-040039. MISTER MOORE. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO ASK, MISTER GARRETT IF HE'LL GO TO THIS SLIDE WITHIN THE PACKET, PLEASE. WE'RE ASKING TO DO THIS PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SALE OF THE PROPERTIES AGAIN FOR SIX, NINE AND 12. I'VE GOT A FEW SUMMARY SLIDES. THE OFFERS HAVE MET THE THRESHOLD FOR THE PROPERTIES OF THE 50. THERE WILL BE NO DEPOSIT. THEY WILL PAY IN FULL, IT'S GOING TO BUILD ONE STORY, 2300 SQUARE FOOT. THEIR ANTICIPATED COST AS A SLIDE SAYS TIME FRAME 12 TO 18 MONTHS, THE REAL ESTATE TAX WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE SALES PRICE AND THE ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTIES. AND THEY ACCEPT ABOUT 15 TO 20 JOBS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. YOU SEE THIS PROJECT AREA ROSS COURT, I'M FROM VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS LIVE HERE. WONDERFUL COMMUNITY. THESE FOUR PROPERTIES THEY WOULD GO UP. THERE'D ONLY BE ONE MORE VACANT PROPERTY LEFT THAT WOULD COMPLETE THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS SHOWS YOU A LITTLE HIGHER AREA. AND THEN WE WOULD ASK, FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING AS YOU CONSIDER APPROVING THIS ORDINANCE FOR THE SALE OF THESE PROPERTIES, THE APPLICANT AND ASK THAT YOU JUST WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO.

SO WE NOW OPEN THE FLOOR TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY HANDS, MISS RUDOLPH? I'M STILL TRYING TO MASTER THIS THING. SORRY. BARBARA RUDOLPH, 1675 MOUNT VERNON STREET, SOME SOME TIME, FAIRLY RECENTLY, THERE WAS SEVERAL MEETINGS WHERE THERE WAS A BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF AMOUNT THAT WE SHOULD BE CHARGING PEOPLE WHEN WE SELL CITY PROPERTY AND, AND FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR QUITE A WHILE, THE AMOUNT HAS BEEN 50. AND I THINK THAT, COUNCILOR JONES HAS QUESTIONED THAT POSSIBLY COUNCILOR CUTHBERT AS WELL. BUT THE ISSUE WAS, ARE WE KIND OF GIVING GIVING THESE PROPERTIES AWAY IN THE CURRENT MARKET? BUT I SEE IT'S THIS IS PRESENTED AS IF 50% IS THE AMOUNT LIKE THAT'S WE ONLY HAVE TO MEET THIS LOW BAR. I THOUGHT THAT THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE WAS 50. MIGHT BE WOULD BE A LOW IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF REASON THAT THIS PROPERTY COULD THAT ONLY THIS ONE BUYER, THIS WAS LIKE THE ONLY CHANCE IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE WORLD THAT THIS WOULD SELL. OTHERWISE. YOU'D BE TRYING TO GET A HIGHER PERCENTAGE. SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT'S HAPPENED BECAUSE IT'S BEING PRESENTED AS

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AMANDA GREEN, 301 RALPH STREET. AND I'M JUST GOING TO AGREE WITH BARB, I WAS HERE FOR THAT MEETING. WHERE THE THRESHOLD. ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS, LIKE, 70% OR SOMETHING. I KNOW THERE WERE SOME DIALOG ABOUT THAT, SO I, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, IF WE MADE THAT CHANGE, THAT WE ENSURE THAT ANY NEW DEVELOPERS TO COME INTO THE PETERSBURG AREA ARE ACTUALLY MEETING THE THRESHOLD REQUIREMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY, YES. IN THE BACK.

GREAT. GOOD EVENING. HI, EVERYBODY. DOING. I THINK THAT, ANY PROPERTY SOLD THAT BELONGS TO THE CITY, IT SHOULD BE FOR, DAVID BETTS, 1127. HI, PEARL, ANY PROPERTIES? SO THERE'S THE CITY ZONE THAT THE CITY OWNED. I THINK IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT CASTED FOR EVERYBODY, NOT JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL OR SPECIAL INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO BUY. IT SHOULD BE SO EVERYBODY CAN BUY NOT JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER HANDS. THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED, MR. MOORE. FIRST OF ALL, THE I CAN ANSWER A COUPLE OF THOSE QUESTIONS. MR. QUESTIONS.

APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. WELL THE FIRST ONE AT THAT MEETING, THE DISCUSSION WAS TO UP IT TO 75% AND ALSO CREATE WHAT THEY WOULD CALL A CATALYST PROJECT ENTITY. AND THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, THAT'LL COME, NEXT MONTH BECAUSE THAT'LL BE TIED INTO THE INCREASE IN THE REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENTS. WE'VE HAD ISSUE BEFORE WHERE WE'VE HAD APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN THE REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENTS RATE HAD CHANGED, BUT THE PROJECT WENT FORWARD. SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUT LANGUAGE AND SEND THAT TO CITY ATTORNEY SO THAT HE CAN LOOK THAT OVER. AND THE SECOND QUESTION, AS FAR AS IT BEING BROADCAST, THE PROPERTY LIST IS OUT ON THE WEBSITE. IT'S UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A, A SALE. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A TAX SALE.

THOSE PROPERTIES ARE LISTED IN THE SHOWS, THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER ACTIVE CONSIDERATION AND THE ONES THAT ARE NOT. SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE GO TO COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN JONES. HI. REAL QUICK, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN WE PASSED THAT ORDINANCE THAT SAY 75. AND ONE OF THE FEARS WAS THAT WE DIDN'T COME BACK AND HOWL ABOUT A CALLUS PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES RIGHT THERE. NOW, I'M LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY NUMBER FOUR, ROSS COURT. I MEAN, NUMBER ONE, WE'RE SELLING AS A GROUP AND WE'RE ASKING, THE ASKING PRICE IS RIDICULOUS FOR ALL OF THEM. BUT THIS ONE PARTICULAR ONE YOU WANT 18 OFFERING $1,800 ANTICIPATED PROFIT IS. $67,000, RIGHT? 67,800 MINUS THAT 1800. THAT'S $66,000. BUT THE ASSESSED VALUE IS $3,000. I DON'T UNDERSTAND FOR THE LIFE OF ME, FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO MAKE $60,000, WHY YOU CAN'T PAY THE FULL PRICE OF THAT LOT. RIGHT. AND THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS CITY PROPERTY. AND WE KEEP GIVING IT AWAY EVENTUALLY. AND I THINK MY PARTNER OVER HERE SAID IT BEFORE, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE AWAY THE CITY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING ELSE TO BUILD ON IN THIS CITY. SO I WANT TO PASS THE MIC TO MR. CUTHBERT, TO CHARLIE AND LET HIM, TELL HIS BID ON IT. BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD, SELL ANYTHING FOR UNDER 75.

ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THIS SMALL FOR PRICE. YOU CAN. YOU CAN AFFORD IT FOR A PRICE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CUTHBERT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND THANK YOU, MR. JONES. THE WAY I ALWAYS LOOKED AT THIS, AND MAYBE I WAS WRONG, IS THAT THIS PERCENTAGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE MINIMUM THAT THE PROSPECT PURCHASER HAS TO OFFER IN ORDER TO GET AN AUDIENCE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. IT'S NOT THE AMOUNT THAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO SELL IT FOR, BUT HE'S GOT TO THE PROSPECTIVE PURCHASER HAS GOT TO OFFER AT LEAST THIS X DOLLARS OR X PERCENT IN ORDER TO GET TO THE NEXT STEP, AND THEN COUNCIL CAN DECIDE AND THAT THE ASSESSMENT IS LOW AND THAT INSTEAD OF 3000 IT OUGHT TO BE 6000. I MEAN, AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY I'M ALWAYS LOOKED AT IT.

AND MAYBE, MAYBE I'M THE ONE WHO'S OUT OF STEP AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS MARCHING TO THE RIGHT

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BUT IT SAYS, HOWEVER, THIS SECTION WHICH GRANTS THE EXCEPTION WILL NOT APPLY IF THE LOT OR LOTS IN QUESTION WERE CONTIGUOUS TO ANOTHER LOT OR LOTS OF RECORD OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON AT THE TIME, THE MORE RESTRICTIVE REGULATIONS BECAME IN FORCE. AND AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER, THAT DETERMINATION HAS NOT BEEN MADE. AM I CORRECT? CORRECT. SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHAT WE GOTTA DO IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE LOTS REALLY ARE BUILDABLE, THAT WE'RE SELLING TO SOMEBODY FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING ON THEM. WE DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD THE POOR GUY, AND HE BUYS THE LOT FROM US AT SOME PRICE. AND THEN WE SAY, WHOOPS, YOU CAN'T BUILD ON IT.

SO I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS, MATTER UNTIL OUR BUSINESS MEETING IN JULY. AND I WOULD ASK MR. ALTMAN, IN THE MEANTIME, IF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING OR WHOEVER THE APPROPRIATE PERSON IS, MAKE THIS DETERMINATION ON, THAT'S DEFINED IN THE LAST SENTENCE OF THIS SECTION SIX POINT. SORRY THIS SECTION 3.6 AND REPORT THE FINDINGS BACK TO US. AND IT MAY WELL BE THAT THE LOT IS BUILDABLE. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BLOCK A CONSTRUCTION. I'M JUST WANT TO BE FAIR TO THE BUYER AND MAKE SURE THAT THE BUYER DOESN'T GET STUCK BUYING A LOT THAT HE THINKS HE CAN BUILD ON WHEN WE COME ALONG, PERHAPS A LATER DATE AND SAY, WHOOPS, YOU CAN'T BUILD ON IT. SO I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS MATTER UNTIL OUR BUSINESS MEETING IN JULY. AND MR. ALTMAN, IF YOU WOULD ASK STAFF TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AND REPORT BACK TO US AT THAT, BUSINESS MEETING IN JULY, WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT. OKAY. THANKS. SO, MR. MAYOR, THAT'S MY MOTION TO TABLE IT UNTIL OUR, BUSINESS MEETING IN JULY. COUNCILMAN JONES, A SECOND MOTION, A

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AGAIN, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE PAID IN FULL 12 MONTHS TO BE REAL ESTATE TAX TO BE DETERMINED UPON THE PROPERTY SALE. 15 TO 20 JOBS CREATED. IT'S PRETTY MUCH STANDARD. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THIS SHOWS THE PROJECT AREA OFF OF BLAKE STREET. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND WE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THIS ORDINANCE, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF AN A PROJECT AREA THAT HAD BEEN PRE-APPROVED APPROVED EARLIER. AND I'M GOING TO ASK MISS COLEMAN TO GET UP AND SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT. AND THEN MY SISTER MARY, IF YOU'LL DO THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER THAT. OKAY.

HELLO, MISS, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. GOOD EVENING, CITY MANAGER, ORIGINALLY, WHEN I FIRST CAME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTIES BACK ON SHORT BETWEEN SHORT STREET AND WILSON AND BOWLING STREET. BLAKE STREET WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN. IN THAT PROJECT. WE'RE NOW BUILDING ON NUMBER SEVEN AND EIGHT AND BLAKE STREET IS ON THE CORNER FOR US.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHER DEVELOPERS FOR OURS. OUR PROJECT, WE'RE BUILDING LUXURY HOUSES. SO OUR HOUSES COME WITH BRICK FOUNDATIONS, LARGE CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS. SO OUR COST TO BUILD IS A IS A LOT MORE THAN MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE'S IS. BUT I KNOW FOR US IT HAS, IT'S BEEN HELPFUL TO THE BUYERS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE, THE PROPERTIES AT, AT THE 50% OR LOWER RATE, BECAUSE WITH THAT, WE'RE ABLE TO OFFER CLOSING COST ASSISTANCE.

THE HOUSE THAT WE JUST CLOSED ON, I MEAN, THAT WILL BE CLOSING AT THE END OF THE MONTH. THAT YOUNG LADY IS FROM PETERSBURG AND DID NOT HAVE ANY MONEY FOR A DOWN PAYMENT AND CLOSING COSTS IN WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO PAY HER DOWN PAYMENT AND CLOSING COSTS. AND IF YOU RIDE DOWN SHORT STREET, I THINK THAT ONE THAT I THAT WE'RE BUILDING NOW, 524 ACTUALLY IS THE MOST STUNNING ONE THAT I HAVE BUILT. IT HAS NINE FOOT CEILINGS, TRAY CEILINGS IN HER IN THE DINING ROOM. HER, HER, THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY IS ACTUALLY MORE OF A 60 FOOT. IT'S A TWO CAR FRONT AND BACK. SO WE ARE WORKING TO COMPLETE THAT PROJECT. THIS, PARTICULAR LOT ON BLAKE STREET WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN INCLUDED WITH OUR, PROPERTIES THAT WE HAD OBTAINED BACK IN, I THINK, IN 2019. AND THIS WILL FINISH THE STREET. AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AS WELL. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MISS BYNUM. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR NOW FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT, MISS MARLOWE. JUST REAL QUICK AND I PROBABLY SHOULD'VE MADE THIS COMMENT LAST TIME. SO. AMANDA GREEN, 301 RALPH STREET, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WE HAVE THESE DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN TO PURCHASE PROPERTIES, THEY'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING THESE HOMES, NOT FOR RENT, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LIKE A RENTERS CITY FOR SO LONG, I'M HOPING WE CAN BRING MORE FAMILIES INTO THE CITY OF PETERSBURG. I THINK, OBVIOUSLY, A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS VALUE THEIR PROPERTIES MORE THAN SOME RENTERS. I'M NOT SAYING EVERY RENTER IS LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON , AS THESE DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN, ENSURING THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROPERTIES FOR RESALE AND NOT FOR RENT. BUT THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS BOB RUDOLPH. THANK YOU, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE EVERY PROPERTY SOLD IS A CATALYST. I'M. THANK YOU, MR. MOORE, FOR REMINDING ME FROM THE OTHER MEETING, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM PROBABLE TO ME, AND I THANK MISS COLEMAN FOR REMINDING US THAT SHE BOUGHT ALL THOSE PROPERTIES IN 2019, BECAUSE THAT'S BACK, I THINK, BEFORE WE

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THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL, NONPROFIT, WHOEVER PROPERTY IS, WHOEVER PROFIT, AND THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR MONEY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHO GOT A NINE FOOT CEILING OR WHATEVER YOU GOT, THINK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE LIVING. YOU GOT NINE FOOT CEILINGS IN YOUR HOUSE. SO

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WASN'T NOBODY DEVELOPING. AND WE'RE NOT GETTING A DIME OFF OF THIS PROPERTY TODAY. WE DIDN'T GET A DIME YESTERDAY. AND AIN'T NOBODY CUTTING NO GRASS. NOWHERE IN THE CITY, ESPECIALLY IN THESE PROPERTIES. WE JUST WENT OUT THERE THE OTHER DAY, SO WE CAN'T SAY THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, AND CLAIM THAT GRASS IS GETTING CUT. CLAIM THAT IT'S COSTING THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. IT'S NOT COSTING THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. WHAT'S COSTING US MONEY? WE'RE GIVING THIS STUFF AWAY. I'M LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENT RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS CITY REVENUE FROM THE SALE. IT SAYS ZERO FROM EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD UP HERE SO FAR, ZERO. BUT WE'RE SELLING IT. BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING OFF IT. NOW, I'M NOT AGAINST THE SELLER PROPERTY. I'M NOT AGAINST ANYBODY HAVING A HOUSE TO LIVE IN. I'M NOT AGAINST OWNERSHIP. BUT WHAT I AM AGAINST IS SOMEBODY TELLING SOMEBODY TO PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THE BOOTSTRAPS WHEN THEY AIN'T GOT NO BOOTS TO PUT ON.

WHAT I AM AGAINST IS US SITTING HERE VOTING ON THIS THING. YOUNG LADY. THE SAME THING STANDS FOR YOU TO STAND FOR THAT MAN BACK THERE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CROSS OUR T'S. MISS. SAME THING.

GO FOR. DID YOU CHECK THIS PROPERTY? IS IT BUILDABLE? THE SAME THING. THAT'S ALL WE ASKING. THE SAME THING. BUT IF IT'S PENNIES ON A DOLLAR, I AIN'T GIVING NOTHING AWAY TO SIT IN ON. GAVE TOO MUCH AWAY ALREADY. TOO MUCH AWAY. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN COOPER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, MR. MOORE, I SEE ALL OF COUNCIL SEES THAT ON PAGE 190, THE RECOMMEND ACTION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS NOT THAT WE ADOPT THE THAT WE SELL THIS PROPERTY, BUT THAT WE CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY, WHY? AND YOU MAY WELL BE RIGHT. I'M CERTAINLY I JUST WANT TO KNOW YOUR REASONING. WHAT WAS YOUR REASONING FOR NOT RECOMMENDING IT, BUT JUST SAYING CONSIDER IT. WELL, CONSIDER IT SINCE YOU HAD ALREADY BEEN A PART OF AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT. BUT THIS IS MORE OF A CLERICAL ISSUE, I THINK, SHE EXPLAINED THAT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT SHE THOUGHT SHE HAD BOUGHT, BUT HAD NOT. SO THIS IS MORE OF A CLERICAL ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT. SO YOU RECOMMEND ADDED TO THE EXISTING PROJECT SITE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED? YES, SIR.

YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE DO SELL THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. IT'LL BE PART CONSIDERED PART OF THE EXISTING PROJECTS THAT SHE'S WORKING ON. I UNDERSTAND. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. IS IT APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS POINT? YES, IT IS, COUNCILMAN CUTHBERT, THANK YOU. I THINK COUNCILMAN JONES MADE A GOOD POINT, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS LOT IS BUILDABLE OR NOT. IT IS ONLY 42FT WIDE. NO DETERMINATION IS. YES. IF I MAY, MR. MAYOR. MR. CUTHBERT. YES, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED. AND IT IS BUILDABLE, SIR. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS. HOWEVER, THIS SECTION WILL NOT APPLY IF THE LOT OR LOTS IN QUESTION WERE CONTIGUOUS TO ANOTHER LOT OR LOTS OF RECORD OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON AT THE TIME, THE MORE RESTRICTIVE REGULATIONS BECAME IN FORCE. HAS THAT DETERMINATION BEEN MADE? I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD TAKE A TIDAL SURGE. A TIDAL SURGE HAS NOT BEEN DONE BY MY OFFICE, SIR. WELL, HAVE WE DONE SO? I I DON'T THINK THIS DETERMINATION HAS BEEN MADE. SHE'S SAYING THAT SHE DOES NOT OWN THE PROPERTY. WELL I CAN UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT BLAMING HER, AND MAYBE TIDAL SURGE IS NOT THE

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YES. SO THAT SENTENCE STATES THAT IT APPLIES TO CONTINUOUS, CONTIGUOUS LOTS OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON. SO SINCE SHE DOESN'T OWN THE ADJACENT LOT, THAT THAT SECTION WOULD NOT APPLY. AND MAX, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, ALREADY TOOK A LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY AND MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT IT'S A BUILDABLE LOT. YEAH, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS LOT WAS OF RECORD OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON AT THE TIME. THE MORE RESTRICTIVE REGULATIONS BECAME IN FORCE BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN THE MORE RESTRICTIVE REGULATIONS BECAME IN FORCE. AND IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT POINT IN TIME. THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS LOT WHETHER THIS LOT WAS OWNED, WHETHER THIS LOT WAS CONTIGUOUS TO A LOT THAT WAS OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THE RESTRICTIONS, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? THE CITY OF PETERSBURG OWNS THE LOT. THE CITY OF PETERSBURG OWNS THAT LOT. THE LOT NEXT TO IT AND THE LOT AROUND THE CORNER FROM IT.

WHAT THE HELL DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? WHO OWNED IT? SHE'S TRYING TO IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT THIS ORDINANCE SAYS. AND IT'S THAT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO RESTRICT THE CITY? YES IT WOULD RESTRICT ANY PROPERTY OWNER. AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY WHAT I WANT TO SAY. BUT ANYWAY, SO I THINK THIS DETERMINATION HAS GOT TO BE MADE. AM I OFF BASE, MR. WILLIAM? WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT, WHEN WE CONVEY PROPERTIES LIKE ANYONE THAT OWNS PROPERTIES, WE INCLUDE A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD WITHIN WHICH THE PURCHASER CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE LOT IS BUILDABLE OR FEASIBLE FOR THEIR DESIRED USE. WHEN YOU GO DOWN THE PATH OF WE'RE GOING TO PRE REVIEW IT, WE'RE GOING TO DO THE TITLE EXAMINATION. WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE WHAT YOU YOU MIGHT CONTEMPLATE USING IT FOR. WE'RE UNDERMINING THAT TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO SELL A LOT. YES IT MAY REQUIRE A TITLE EXAMINATION. YES IT MAY REQUIRE A DETERMINATION THAT THE LOT IS USABLE FOR WHATEVER USE THE PROSPECTIVE PURCHASER WANTS TO PUT IT TO. BUT THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD. AND IF THEY DETERMINE THAT IT'S NOT USABLE FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD IT, BUILD ON IT, FINE. IF THEY PURCHASE IT NONETHELESS, THEY MAY JUST WANT TO BUY IT FOR, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A LOT. I OWN A UNBUILDABLE LOT IN FREDERICK COUNTY AND IT'S JUST YOU OWN IT, BUT IT'S NOT FOR THE CITY TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS FOR EVERY SINGLE LOT WHEN YOU'VE GOT 400 LOTS. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS IF SHE WANTS TO BUY IT AND THERE ARE POTENTIAL ISSUES. SHE'S GOT 180 DAYS UNDER THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT SHE WANTS TO PROCEED WITH IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. WELL, LET'S PLAY THAT THROUGH, LET'S SAY WE SELL IT AND SHE DOESN'T BOTHER TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION, AND SHE APPLIES FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. AND THEN WE ISSUE IT. WE'VE JUST GUTTED THIS RESTRICTION. NOW THERE'S A DETERMINATION MADE WHEN THEY ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT THAT IT'S APPROPRIATELY ZONED, THEY WON'T ISSUE IT. AND IF THEY DO, THEN IT'S ON US. WELL IT'S GOING TO BE ON US UNLESS SOMEBODY DOES A TITLE SEARCH AND COMPARES IT TO THE DATE OF THE CHANGE IN THE WHICH THE WHICH THE PROSPECTIVE PURCHASER WILL AND SHOULD DO WITH EVERY PURCHASE. NOT THE NOT THE SELLER, BUT NOT ONLY JUST DO A TITLE SEARCH, BUT ALSO COMPARE , THE OWNERSHIP OF THIS LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SELLING AND ANY CONTIGUOUS LOT AS OF THE TIME THAT THE ZONING CHANGE GOES THROUGH. I MEAN, THIS THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT EASY TO DO, BUT WE JUST PUT IN BLINDERS ON AND IGNORING THE RESTRICTION. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR COUNCILMAN COVER. IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? YES. I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL OUR BUSINESS MEETING IN JULY, AT WHICH TIME THE, DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING WILL REPORT TO US AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS LOT IS, IN FACT, BUILDABLE. IT'S NOT FAIR. ALL RIGHT. THIS BUILDABLE ALL RIGHT. WITH A MOTION. ALL RIGHT. OKAY

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COULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? WELL, HOLD ON, MR. MAYOR. AT WHAT PRICE DO WE KNOW? LET'S HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION OF WHAT PRICE ARE WE SELLING THIS THING? WE HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRICE AT WHICH WE'RE GOING TO SELL IT? THAT'S IS IN THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER 3000 $3,750, WHICH IS 83% OF TOTAL ASSESSED VALUE. OKAY SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT REQUIRING FULL ASSESSED VALUE. SHE SAID SHE OFFERED 83% NOW. NOW SHE GIVING 83. SO YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT TOO. NOW YOU GET MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION. AND A SECOND AT THIS TIME IS HILL. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER CUTHBERT, A COUNCIL MEMBER. JONES AND THANK YOU FOR OFFERING THE 83, BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE WANT TO TAKE AND YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND LET'S KEEP IT AT 83% IF WE CAN. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER MYERS, ABSTAIN. COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK I COUNCIL MEMBER. SMITH I VICE MAYOR. HILL I MAYOR I AND MR. MAYOR LET ME SAY SHEILA, I WANT TO SAY TO YOU THANK YOU. IF FOLKS DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PLACE LOOK LIKE OVER THERE ON SHORE STREET BEFORE, THEY NEED TO GO RIDE THROUGH THERE. IT SETS AN EXAMPLE IN WARD FIVE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF THERE'S NO MORE,

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REMOVED FROM, CONSENT AGENDA. MADAM CLERK, WHERE IS THE LIST? OKAY, WE HAVE, A STACY PHELPS.

YES. I JUST WAS INFORMED THAT YOU ARE NOT A RESIDENT OR A BUSINESS OWNER OF THE CITY. MY CLIENT, MY NAME IS LEE ARZT. I'M AN ATTORNEY, AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF STACY PHELPS, WHO HAS FILED. OKAY, HOLD UP, HOLD UP. I NEED TO GET, LEGAL ADVICE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY. YES, MR. VICE MAYOR. MR. ASKED, AS I UNDERSTAND, IS NOT A RESIDENT OR BUSINESS OWNER OF THE CITY AS REQUIRED BY SECTION FOUR OF THE RULES FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND I BELIEVE HE WAS GETTING READY TO SAY THAT HE'S SPEAKING ON A MATTER THAT IS IN CURRENT LITIGATION IN THE PETERSBURG CIRCUIT COURT, AS SUCH, UNDER SECTION FOUR, HE'S NOT ELIGIBLE TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, AS HE'S NOT A RESIDENT OR A BUSINESS OWNER. SO YOU CAN'T SPEAK. YOU CAN'T SPEAK, SIR, ACCORDING TO BEHALF OF AN OWNER. NO, YOU CAN'T, NO, YOU CAN'T, HE COULD COME UP AND

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SIR SIR. MR. PHELPS, YOU CAN SPEAK, SIR. MR. PHELPS, YOU CAN SPEAK, SIR. SIR. SO WE CAN'T ENTERTAIN YOU. I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK, HE CAN, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. STACY PHELPS, 2477 SOUTH CRATER ROAD. MAYOR. AND, I TALKED TO, COUNCILMAN. JONES. I ADDRESSED THE ISSUE THAT YOU, THAT YOU TOLD ME TO ADDRESS ABOUT THEIR MOVING THEIR CARS AND, CUTTING THE, WATER OFF. I DID ALL THAT. OKAY THANK YOU. OKAY. SO NOTED. THANK YOU. NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS. I SEE THESE TWO ARE CROSSED OFF, SO, MISS RUDOLPH. THANK YOU. BARB RUDOLPH, 1675 MOUNT VERNON STREET. I DIDN'T REALLY COME TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT SINCE, COUNCILMAN MEYERS WANTED TO MAKE IT PERSONAL, I'M NOT SURE WHY. I'M SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE.

THE SLIDE SAID 50. I'M ONLY GOING BY WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE. I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT I'VE LIVED IN PETERSBURG FOR OVER 44 YEARS, CONTINUOUSLY. I'VE LIVED IN THREE DIFFERENT WARDS. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE RENOVATED SEVEN DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.

WE'VE PROBABLY WE'VE ADDED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A HALF 1 MILLION TO $1 MILLION IN VALUE IN REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT VALUE TO THE CITY. SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M JUST SITTING IN MY HOUSE LORDING IT OVER EVERYONE OR WHATEVER, THAT THE IMPLICATION WAS. NOW BACK TO WHAT I CAME TO TALK ABOUT, THIS IS JUNE 18TH AND JUNE. JULY 1ST IS COMING QUICKLY. WE WILL BE UNDER A NEW REFUSE COLLECTION CONTRACT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST. I DID SEE THAT IN THE BUDGET THAT THEY BUDGETED $300,000 MORE IN EXPENSE FOR THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS OR WHAT THAT WAS DERIVED FROM. I THINK YOU'LL RECALL THAT BACK IN EARLY JANUARY, YOU DIRECTED THE CITY MANAGER TO END PARTICIPATION IN THE CENTRAL VIRGINIA WASTE MANAGEMENT AUTHORITY. AND MR. ALTMAN THEN COMMUNICATED THAT TO UMMA TO WITHDRAW. YOU ALSO GOT A LETTER FROM WASTE MANAGEMENT ADVISING YOU THAT IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM IF YOU DID EMERGENCY PROCUREMENT. I TALKED ABOUT THIS BACK IN APRIL WHEN? WELL, I KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH THE STAFF. I THINK SOMEWHERE THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A DELAY THAT WAS DIRECTED BECAUSE THERE WAS FINALLY AN RFP ISSUED ON MAY 24TH, WHICH ENDED UP, I BELIEVE, THAT IT WAS CHANGED ONCE, BUT IT CLOSED ON JUNE 12TH, SO THAT LEAVES LESS THAN THREE WEEKS FROM THE CLOSING DATE TO WHEN A NEW CONTRACT IS IN PLACE. SO THAT HARDLY GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANYONE OTHER THAN MERIDIAN TO MAKE TO MAKE A, AN OFFER OR A PROPOSAL TO COLLECT REFUSE IN PETERSBURG, IT'S IDEALLY YOU'D BE SETTING UP A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD, BUT BY STARTING LATE, IT ENSURES THAT NO OTHER PROVIDER IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE TRUCKS, THE EMPLOYEES, THE CARTS OR ANY OF THAT IN PLACE. SO I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST, IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO INFORM CITIZENS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE WHEN WE GET OUR NEXT NEW FANCY UTILITY BILL, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO SAY $20, IT'S GOING TO SAY SOMETHING MORE. I THINK IF YOU TELL PEOPLE WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS AND START PRIMING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IT, IT MIGHT BE IT OUGHT TO GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT BETTER. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRICE WILL GO UP. I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO STAY HERE, SIT HERE AND CLAIM THAT IT'S STILL GOING TO COST $20 AFTER, YOU KNOW, SO MANY YEARS HAVE GONE BY SINCE IT WAS NEGOTIATED AND SET. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE LACK OF INFORMATION, OFTEN COMBINED WITH THE APPEARANCE THAT THERE'S BEEN PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TOWARD THE CURRENT CONTRACT HOLDER BASED ON POSSIBLY SOME FAVORITISM FROM CERTAIN MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I COMMENTED ON THAT BEFORE. I WON'T REPEAT IT, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO

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THIS ENDS OUR PUBLIC. WE HAVE ANOTHER PAGE OKAY. THANK YOU. OH WOW. OKAY, OKAY. CARRIE, CARRIE STEVENS. HOLD ON. CARRIE STEVENS . CARRIE. STEVENS KIRA. KIRA. OKAY. HELLO SO, THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING, SO THIS HAS BEEN VERY EYE OPENING, KIRA STEVENS, TWO, TWO, SIX ROWE STREET. I JUST PURCHASED ON POCAHONTAS ISLAND. JUST PURCHASED? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, ON MY BIRTHDAY. SO IT WAS LIKE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. CONGRATULATIONS. A BIRTHDAY GIFT TO MYSELF. SO I'M NEW, AND, I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THE AREA OF FORT LEE, AND I'VE BEEN COMMUTING BACK AND FORTH, SO I'M HAPPY TO HAVE PURCHASED A HOME. AND I'M ENJOYING MY AREA IS JUST A FEW THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED. SO WITH THE TRAIL BEING THERE AND I'VE WALKED IT AND I'M COUNTRY, SO I LOVE THE FISH. IT'S BEEN DUMPING AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT BEING MAINTAINED WELL. IT'S NOT BEING MAINTAINED. I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT. IT'S NOT BEING MAINTAINED. SEE THE TRAIL BY THE RIVER? YEAH. OKAY. TO AND, I GUESS IT'S THE HISTORIC APPOMATTOX TRAIL AND IT'S A LOT OF BRUSH, SO BASICALLY, INSTEAD OF A TRAIL, IT'S LIKE A PATH, LIKE THE OWL IN BETWEEN THE CHAIRS IS BECOMING VERY, VERY TIGHT AND PEOPLE ARE DUMPING ITEMS. SO JUST RECENTLY SOMEONE JUST THREW A WHOLE LARGE TREE.

THEY CHOPPED UP OFF THEIR TRUCK AND JUST THREW IT THERE. SO THAT'S JUST FORESTRY THEY'RE THROWING. THEY ALSO THROW TRASH. AND THEN THE CITY ISN'T MAINTAINING ANY GRASS OR DUMPING OF THE TRASH CANS THERE. AND THIS IS A PARK AND THAT'S PUBLIC AREA. SO I DON'T WANT TO FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE GOING DOWN TO WALK OR TO VISIT. AND THEN I GO ON THE COLONIAL HEIGHTS SIDE, AND THAT ONE IS KEPT AND OURS ISN'T. I HAVE AN I'M AN AUNTIE OF LIKE SIX. I ALWAYS HAVE THEM, USUALLY ON THE WEEKENDS WE ALL GO DOWN THERE OR WE'LL GO WALK IN. I TRY TO KEEP THEM ACTIVE. IT'S NOT LIKE A PLAYGROUND PARK, BUT IT'S SOMETHING. AND THEY DON'T MIND FISHING WITH ME, BUT WE DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE NOW, AND I AND I'M LIKE, I JUST MOVED HERE. SO THAT THAT HAS KIND OF BEEN AN OBSTACLE. SO AMONG THE PEOPLE COMING TO DUMP OR NOT MAINTAINING, LIKE THE GRASS CUTTING THE PATH, THE TRASH THERE, THE SMALL PAVILION AREA, THE AREA AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY DO CLEAN. BUT WHAT CAN WE GET FROM OUR CITY TO DO SO TO SPEAK? ANY MAINTENANCE, ANYTHING TO COME OUT THERE? THAT'S ONE OF THE THAT'S THE MATTER OF FACT. THIS IS A TREE THAT GOT DUMPED THIS WEEK. OKAY. THAT'S ON IT. YEAH, YEAH. OH, HOLD ON. AND THEN THAT'S THE PATH WHERE ALL THE VEGETATION HAS CAME. SO LIKE THE PATH IS VERY LARGE, BUT ALL THE VEGETATION HAS GREW UP FROM THE TREES NOW. SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A WALK AREA. OKAY. OKAY THANK YOU, RANDALL. TAKE CARE OF IT. OKAY. MR. RANDALL, RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU, MARLOWE GREEN. I'M GONNA WAIT TILL HE PULLS UP MY PRESENTATION. THE NEWSLETTER, PREFERABLY BEFORE THAT, IT STARTS. I NEVER USE ALL MY TIME. SO IF WE COULD PAUSE REAL QUICK UNTIL HE PULLS IT UP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO COOL, SO, AMANDA GREEN, 301 RALPH STREET. THIS IS THE POCAHONTAS ISLAND NEWSLETTER, GOING FORWARD, POCAHONTAS ISLAND HISTORIC DISTRICT WILL ALWAYS CREATE A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER OR JUST MAINLY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ISLAND TO KEEP THE CITY COUNCIL INFORMED, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MENTIONED HERE AS IT RELATES TO THE DUMPING INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED SOME MONTHS AGO, HATS OFF TO OFFICER CHRISTIAN. CHIEF CHRISTIAN, SORRY, BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PURSUE THIS GENTLEMAN, WENT TO THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE SHE WAS GOING TO GO AFTER HIM. AND SO HE'S NOW BEEN CHARGED. HE GOES TO COURT ON JULY 19TH, THE OTHER ITEM HERE IS THE JARED HOUSE. I SPOKE WITH, COUNCIL MEMBER CUTHBERT, ALONG WITH MR. ALTMAN, REGARDING POTENTIAL SOURCES OF FUNDS, I THINK MR. ALTMAN IS GOING TO MEET WITH CAMERON FOUNDATION THIS MONTH TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO ABOUT THAT, OTHER DATES ON HERE. WE JUST HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL COMMUNITY MEETING. I THINK WE HAD ABOUT 25 PEOPLE THERE, WE HAD DINNER, YOU KNOW, SOME CAMARADERIE. IT WAS REALLY NICE, BUT I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT FEW PICTURES AND THINGS SO WE CAN MAKE THAT SMALLER OR OPEN IT UP, IF WE COULD JUST MAYBE BACK OFF

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CHRISTOPHER GREEN, CHRISTOPHER GREEN. TALLY IS GONE, SARAH, MELISSA WOODCOCK GONE. OKAY. DAVID BETTS. DAVID BETTS, 1127 HIGH PEARL STREET. I GOT A I GOT A REAL ISSUE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SICK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE GAVE THIS HOTEL $2.2 MILLION TO FINISH THE HOTEL WHEN THE AVERAGE PERSON RAN HERE LOSING HOUSES. I MEAN, THE AVERAGE, PERSON THAT WORK FOR THE CITY CAN'T EVEN AFFORD A HOUSE. AND JUST LIKE IF, IF I GOT A BUILDING OR A HOUSE THAT I CAN'T FINISH, THE CITY COUNCIL AIN'T GOING TO GIVE ME THE MONEY TO FINISH IT. I MEAN, THAT'S CRAZY. HOW CAN YOU SIT HERE AND TELL SOMEBODY THAT YOU GAVE SOMEBODY $2.2 MILLION AND ALL THE DEALS THAT Y'ALL DONE DID WITH THESE HOTELS DOWN ON, WASHINGTON WEST STREET? THAT'S A PRIME EXAMPLE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST CRAZY TO SAY THAT Y'ALL GAVE SOMEBODY $2.2 MILLION, AND THEN YOU CRYING ABOUT MONEY HERE, THERE, EVERYWHERE. I'M SAYING, WHERE WHERE'S THE LOGICAL TRYING TO FINISH A HOTEL FOR SOMEBODY ELSE THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE AT ALL? I MEAN, LOOK AT THE LOOK AT THE, CITY WORKER THAT, THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE YOU GIVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT A RAISE, GET THE POLICE DEPARTMENT A RAISE, BUT YOU AIN'T WANT TO GET ARRESTED. GUYS. ARRAY AND THEY REALLY NEED IT. THEY MAKE LESS THAN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE, POLICE DEPARTMENT. I MEAN, BUT THE TELL SOMEBODY THAT Y'ALL GAVE SOMEBODY $2.2 MILLION AND YOU WON'T EVEN DO NOTHING ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I'VE BEEN DOWN HERE, Y'ALL HAD YET TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM, BUT YOU GAVE SOMEBODY $2.2 MILLION TO FINISH A HOTEL IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FINISH, THEY SUPPOSED TO. SO IT OR DO WHATEVER ELSE. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL DO TO THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE. AND THEN IT'S SICKENING. THAT IS THIS. THIS WAS A PREDOMINANTLY BLACK CITY. BLACK PEOPLE DON'T GET THAT KIND OF HELP. I GOT PROPERTY THAT I CAN'T EVEN GET A LOAN TO FIX. AND THAT'S THAT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL BLACK PEOPLE. THANK YOU. THAT AIN'T ENDS. OUR PUBLIC PERIOD. MY NAME WAS ON THE SHEET. WHAT'S YOUR NAME? EXCUSE ME. CHERYL BROWN, CHERYL BROWN. COME ON UP, MR.

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ITEM B, RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE PROCUREMENT GUIDELINES AND ACCORDANCE WITH THE US, THE USE OF CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT CONTRACTS PER 2.24382 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA WITH RESPECT TO DESIGN, BUILD OR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT CONTRACTS, PAGES THREE ZERO 9 TO 3, 19. MARY, I MEAN VICE MAYOR, DID YOU INTEND TO SKIP THE COUNSELOR COMMENTS IN ADVANCE OF THAT? I SEE, I APOLOGIZE, I WAS THROWING IN THE FIRE, SO I'M READY TO JUST GET ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. I'M SORRY, COUNSELOR. COMMENTS. YOU'RE RIGHT, COUNCILMAN CUTLER. THANK YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. TWO THINGS.

ONE, I HAVE A WARD MEETING AT POCAHONTAS CHAPEL, DAY AFTER TOMORROW. SO THURSDAY, 5:30 P.M.

ON WITTEN STREET. BE DELIGHTED TO SEE EACH AND ALL OF YOU HERE, THAT ARE HERE, ATTENDING THAT MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE JARED HOUSE, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT REROUTING THE TRUCK TRAFFIC. TWO THINGS THAT, MISS MARLOW GREEN, TALKED ABOUT AS WELL, AND THE CITY MANAGERS WILL BE WITH US AND WE'LL HAVE A REPORT FOR US ON BOTH THOSE TOPICS, AND I'M

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AND MY ASSESSMENT JUST INCREASED 94. AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I TRIED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE TAX RATE, TONIGHT. BUT IN ANY EVENT, THE REAL IZATION I HAD WHILE WALKING ROSS STREET IS THAT IT IS REALLY CONGESTED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A VERY SHORT LITTLE STREET. AND I WONDERED WHETHER THERE WAS A WAY TO MAKE IT LESS CONGESTED AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY END OF THE STREET, THERE'S SOMEBODY BACKYARD THERE ON. IT'S THE BACKYARD OF A HOUSE THAT FRONTS ON BERN STREET AND, AND I'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER, EXTENDING ROSS STREET INTO THAT BACKYARD AND BUILDING A CUL DE SAC. SO THAT THE PEOPLE ON ROSS COURT CAN TURN AROUND AND GET BACK OUT, RIGHT NOW, IT'S BARELY WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO CARS SIDE BY SIDE. SO, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO , GET SOME TRACTION ON THAT IDEA. MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT IN A WORK SESSION, MR. ALTMAN, OR, BUT, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE IS A WAY TO MAKE LIFE A LOT MORE, PLEASANT AND EASY FOR THE PEOPLE ON, ROSS COURT. IF WE COULD, PUT A CUL DE SAC AT THE END AND IT WOULD LIKE EVERYTHING IN LIFE THERE'S A TRADE OFF. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO USE SOMEBODY. IS GOING TO LOSE SOME BACKYARD, IF THAT PROPOSITION IS, PURSUED. BUT I THINK THE GREATER NUMBER OF PEOPLE WOULD BENEFIT IF WE COULD PUT A CUL DE SAC AT THE END OF, ROSS COURT. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT, I HOPE, AT SOME FUTURE TIME, NOT TOO FAR IN THE IN THE FUTURE, BUT, I DO THINK IT'S A WORTHWHILE IDEA. AND I WOULD INVITE ANYONE WHO IS, CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TO GO TO ROSS COURT AND IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF THERE WAS A CUL DE SAC AT THE END OF ROSS COURT. AND HOW MUCH, THAT WOULD HELP THE TRAFFIC FLOW. AND ALSO PUBLIC SAFETY, IT WOULD GIVE, I MEAN, A BIG FIRE ENGINE COMING DOWN ROSS COURT. I DON'T KNOW HOW HE WOULD GET BACK OUT. I GUESS HE'D HAVE TO BACK UP. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT HE WOULD BACK STRAIGHT IN ANY EVENT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. VICE MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WESTBROOK, YES. FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I'LL BE VERY QUICK TONIGHT, THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. AND PUBLIC WORKS FOR CUTTING THE BRUSH ON DEFENSE ROAD, I DID SPEAK WITH MR. WILLIAMS, AND HOPEFULLY, THE BRUSH COMING IN AND OUT OF RAMBLEWOOD ON BANNISTER ROAD WILL GET, LOOKED AT AS WELL. BUT THANK YOU FOR MR. WILLIAMS FOR ALL HE DOES TO MAKE SURE THE CITY IS RUNNING. WELL, AND WHILE I'M THERE, THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT DOES HAVE PASSION AND SPEAKS POSITIVELY AND SOMETIMES EVEN NEGATIVELY ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY. I FEEL LIKE, WE NEED ALL PERSPECTIVES ON THE TABLE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE THE CITY FORWARD. IT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE PEACHES AND CREAM, BUT AS LONG AS WE CAN TALK AMICABLY AND DEBATE, THEN I THINK THINGS WILL GET, WORKING ON POSITIVE FAVOR, THIS IS MEN'S HEALTH MONTH, JUNE, SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SUPPORT YOUR MEN IN YOUR LIFE TO GO OUT TO GET TESTED, PROSTATE CANCER, BLOOD PRESSURE. JUST DO YOUR NORMAL CHECKUP IF YOU DON'T ALREADY DO IT ALL THE TIMES OF THE YEAR. AND THEN QUICKLY, THERE WAS A SCHEDULE WARD MEETING FOR WARD SEVEN ON THURSDAY, BUT THAT HAS BEEN POSTPONED. AND SO THERE IS NO WARD MEETING ON THURSDAY. IT WILL BE ANNOUNCED AT A LATER DATE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MYERS. NOTHING AT THIS TIME. COUNCILMAN SMITH LEE, JUST A FEW THINGS I JUST WANT TO, JUST SAY THANK YOU TO RICHARD HARRIS AND JIM REID AND STEVE STINSON, ABOUT ABOUT ALL THE ISSUES THAT I'M HAVING IN

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OH, YEAH, NEXT FRIDAY IS THE WAKE OF MY GODFATHER, COLONEL TAYLOR WILL BE AT GOOD SHEPHERD BAPTIST CHURCH AT 6 P.M, AND THE FUNERAL IS SATURDAY, JUNE THE 29TH AT GOOD SHEPHERD BAPTIST CHURCH AT NOON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN JONES. YES. THANK YOU. WELL, I'M GLAD THAT YOU ALL STAYED FOR THIS LONG. PROBABLY THE LONGEST COUNCIL MEETING I'VE HAD SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. YEAH, I KNOW, BUT I WANT TO. I WANT TO, JUST SAY THANK YOU TO, PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS CITY. I KNOW YOU HEAR US FIGHT AND FUSS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS. I JUST WANT THINGS TO BE DONE RIGHT. THE BEST WAY WE CAN DO IT. RIGHT. AND I THINK ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE. I THINK THEY MEAN WELL. HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME GAPS THAT WE FIND OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE, BUT WE CAN FIX THAT. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU HAVE PUBLIC WORKS. YOU HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE ZONING PLANNING. WHEN WE'RE SELLING PROPERTY, SOMETIMES THINGS DON'T GET TO THEM, SOMETIMES THINGS DON'T GET TO YOU. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DISCOVERED TONIGHT, THAT WE WANT IT ALL TO AT LEAST COMMUNICATE AND SAY, HEY, WE STRAYED OVER HERE, GO HEAD ON WITH THE SALE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WHAT THE COUNCILMAN IS UP HERE, EVERYBODY IS UP HERE, THERE'S NO HARM INTENDED, BUT I TRY TO PISS Y'ALL OFF ON PURPOSE BECAUSE I WANT TO PUSH THE BUTTON. I WANT TO PUSH YOU TO YOUR LIMITS. YOU KNOW? I WANT TO PUSH Y'ALL TO YOUR LIMITS. YOU KNOW, I JUST TOLD NAOMI I APPRECIATE HER BECAUSE SHE GOT UP HERE, AND I GRILLED HER REAL HARD, AND SHE MAINTAINED A CALM FACE AND JUST WENT ON WITH THE FLOW. AND I APPRECIATE THAT, OUT OF ANY DEPARTMENT HEAD. AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, THE ONES THAT'S HERE, I ALWAYS SEE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE. NOT THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE A CHOICE, BUT YOU'RE ALWAYS HERE. YOU KNOW, AND THE REST OF YOU GUYS IS ALREADY HERE, AND. MY MAN RIGHT HERE. RANDALL ALWAYS HERE. HE'S HERE MORE THAN HIS BOSS IS HERE, I KNOW I'M GIVING THAT MAN A HARD TIME, BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP GIVING HIM A HARD TIME TILL HE SIT HERE. THE CHIEF IS HERE. EVERYBODY IS HERE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THIS BEFORE WE GO, MR. CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU DIRECT YOUR PEOPLE TO VISIT MR. PHELPS? BECAUSE IN ALL HONESTY, HE DID DO EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED HIM TO DO UP HERE THE LAST TIME HE CAME. SO HE CAN RESUBMIT HIS PAPERWORK AND DO IT THE PROPER WAY TO BRING IT BACK UP. BRING IT BACK UP TO US. THAT'S WHY HE WAS HERE TODAY. AND. IS IN LITIGATION. OKAY, WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT THEN, ALSO, WHEN WE HAVE, THE NEXT MEETING IN IN JULY, THERE'S A CODE SECTION 15 DASH TWO THAT'S 1505 THAT SAYS. CITY CODE IS 15.2. 15.2 DASH 15.05. STATE CODE SAYS A LOCALITY MAY REQUIRE, BY ORDINANCE THAT THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS, DEPARTMENT HEADS AND DEPUTY DEPARTMENT HEADS AND HIS EXECUTIVE ASSISTANTS OF THE LOCALITY RESIDE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LOCALITY. I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE HERE, THAT'S IN KEY POSITIONS, THAT'S PART OF IT. THE FIRST PART OF IT SAID WE CAN'T DO IT FOR REGULAR EMPLOYEES, BUT WE CAN ASK OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS. SO I'M NOT ASKING NOW, BUT IN THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU AFTER THE STUDY IS DONE TO IMPLEMENT THAT WITH THE STUDY AFTER THE CLASS AND COMP. YES YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL JUST GIVE YOU A HEADS UP THAT WITH CLASS AND

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CORRECT. YOU KNOW. YEAH. YEAH. BILL ALREADY CORRECTED IT ON ONLINE, YOU KNOW, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR CITIZENS KNOW SO THEY WON'T BE MISLED, YOU KNOW? BUT THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. SAY SOMETHING. YEAH. HE FORGOT PAUL IS ALWAYS HERE. PAUL MULLINS AND BRITTANY FLOWERS, EVERYBODY. I SAID EVERYBODY. JOANNE WILLIAMS AND ELLEN MANHATTAN BACK THERE.

I SEE HER AND I SEE ELLIE, MARY, MARY THE MIC MAN, OKAY. EVERYBODY OKAY? OKAY. POLICE OFFICER. EVERYBODY'S HERE. WE THANK THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE. I THINK WE ALL TIRED.

YEAH, MOVING RIGHT ALONG, MY COMMENTS IS BASICALLY THAT WE, THE CITY IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND LET US CONTINUE TO SPEAK POSITIVELY ABOUT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE DO HAVE OUR CHALLENGES, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT EVERY CITY HAVE THEIR CHALLENGES AND IT'S AMAZING THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN SEE THE BEAUTY AND WHAT WE'VE DONE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. BUT SOME OF OUR, SOME OF US CAN'T SEE THE BEAUTY IN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS CITY. IT'S LIKE, AND I'VE SAID THIS MANY TIMES, IT'S LIKE, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR HOUSE, LET'S SAY A DEFICIENCY IN YOUR HOUSE SOMEWHERE. LET'S SAY IF YOU HAVE A HOLE IN THE WALL AND THEN YOU GET USED TO LOOKING AT THAT HOLE , AND THEN THEN WHEN YOUR FRIENDS COME IN AND SAY, MAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A HOLE IN THAT WALL. AND THAT HOLE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, BUT THEN ONCE YOU PATCH IT UP, YOU GET USED TO IT BEING PATCHED. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE GOT TO CONTINUE TO PUSH OUR CITY, CONTINUE TO TALK POSITIVE ABOUT OUR CITY, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T TALK POSITIVE, NOBODY ELSE WILL. WHEN I GO TO OTHER CITY, HIS THEY ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE AMAZING JOB THAT WE HAVE DONE BECAUSE THEY REMEMBER US BEING IN THE NEWS AND THEY REMEMBER US, OUR OUR ECONOMIC STRUGGLES AND ALL OF THAT. THEY REMEMBER ALL OF THAT, BUT THEY THEY SEE WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO I JUST WISH THAT WE AS CITIZENS OF PETERSBURG, I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ADMINISTRATION, TALKING ABOUT CITIZENS OF PETERSBURG. YES, WE HAVE OUR CHALLENGES, BUT LET US CONTINUE TO SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER AS A COUNCIL. SUPPORT YOU ALL. YOU ALL SUPPORT US. YOU ALL HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE AND WE'RE GOING TO HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE. BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE GO IN SITUATIONS, THE RESIDENT HADN'T DONE THEIR PART AND EVERYBODY ALWAYS WANT TO HOOK UP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN'T ALWAYS DO THAT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL GO AHEAD TO THE NEXT ITEM THAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO, SO BUSINESS OF REPORTS FOR MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, ITEM NUMBER 11, ITEMS REMOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA.

THERE IS NO ITEM. FINANCIAL AND BUDGET REPORT. NO FINANCIAL AND BUDGET REPORT, ITEM NUMBER 13.

UNFINISHED BUSINESS. THERE'S NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS. NEW BUSINESS, THE MAYOR SAID YOU ALL

[14. New Business]

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WELL, AND THEN THEY WERE. THEY WERE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THAT. OKAY. HOLD ON.

I'M GOOD. OH, THEY WERE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND THEN I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. OKAY.

COUNCILMAN MYERS. YEAH, I SAW THE. SCROLL UP. I SAW 42 UP HERE. IS THIS 42 CHANGE ORDERS? NUMBER 42? NO. OKAY, SO IS THIS NUMBER 43? NO, THEY'RE THEY'RE NUMBERING SYSTEM IS DIFFERENT FROM THE CITY'S NUMBERING SYSTEM. SO HOW MANY CHANGE ORDERS HAVE WE HAD AT THIS BUILDING? AND I'M NOT ASKING THEM. I'M ASKING YOU. WELL, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE CHANGING CHANGE ORDERS. HAVE WE HAD AT THIS BUILDING? OKAY, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. HERE YOU GO. AND THEN A SIX THIRD, I'D BE AT. I WANT TO SAY 37, 37, 37 CHANGE ORDERS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IN HERE UNDERSTANDS THAT. THAT'S HOW MANY TIMES. WELL, CAN THEY SPEAK ? IT'S A BUNCH OF. CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC? I CAN'T HEAR YOU FROM BACK THERE. JUST ONE OF THEM COME TO ME. MY NAME IS ERIC METCALF. I'M THE PROJECT, SUPERINTENDENT AT FOR SK. A BUNCH OF THE SMALLER CHANGE ORDERS WERE ROLLED INTO THE, THE LARGER CHANGE ORDERS, OR INTO A SINGLE CHANGE ORDER. SO IT'S 25 TOTAL THAT WERE ISSUED BY THE CITY, SO WHEN YOU'RE SEEING NUMBER 4142, THAT'S OUR PROPOSED CHANGE ORDERS, AND THAT'S JUST OUR NUMBERING SYSTEM. AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THOSE THAT WERE NOT ISSUED. THOSE WERE JUST THINGS LIKE WHEN THE ROOF WAS REDONE ON THE BUILDING. THOSE WERE NOT DONE THROUGH US. THOSE WERE DONE THROUGH THE CITY, THROUGH FACILITY MANAGEMENT, JUST FOR EXAMPLE. BLESS YOU. THANK YOU. SO HOW MANY DID YOU SAY YOU HAD? IT'S 25 TOTAL THAT WERE ISSUED. 25 TOTAL THAT WERE HOW MANY CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN? HOW MANY CHANGE ORDERS? HOW MANY CHANGE ORDERS? HAVE THERE BEEN BEFORE THEY CAME ON BOARD? WHEN DID YOU START? WHEN, NOVEMBER

[03:55:05]

OKAY. CAN YOU GO TO THE MIC? I CAN'T HEAR YOU SITTING DOWN THERE. THIS IS STRICTLY THIS IS STRICTLY THEM FROM WHEN THEY STARTED THE PROJECT. THEY THEY OBVIOUSLY THEY DISCOVERED SOME THINGS THAT HADN'T BEEN DONE CORRECTLY, BUT THAT THEY HAD TO FIX FROM THE PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. THEY BID THE JOB. AND THEN THIS PARTICULAR PACKAGE HERE GOES OVER SOME OF THE MORE, EXPENSIVE CHANGE ORDERS OF THINGS THAT THEY RAN INTO. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND TO DISCUSS THEIR 85% COMPLETE WITH THE PROJECT. HOLD ON. YOU FINISH. YEAH. BECAUSE NOBODY'S ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. SO THEREFORE, COUNCILMAN, JONES. YES. THANK YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT MR. BEST WAS SAYING ABOUT GIVING MONEY TO PEOPLE THAT WE WOULDN'T GIVE TO ANYBODY ELSE. NOW, $2.2 MILLION WAS WHAT THEY BID ON. AND WE'RE SAYING WE'RE HAVING, 25 CHANGE ORDERS OR 35 THAT DON'T MATTER, ARE STILL HIGH ON A PROJECT THAT'S SMALL AND WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING BACK BECAUSE WE GOT TO GET SOME ENGINEERS TO LIFT UP A FLOOR AND ALL THAT. I KNOW I UNDERSTAND MY JOB CORRECTLY, THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS PROJECT, THIS CONSTRUCTION, YOU GET A YOU GET AN ENGINEER BEFOREHAND, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, YOU CHECK EVERYTHING OUT, THEN WHY ARE WE WAITING ON THE 26, FOR THE 26 CHANGE ORDER. BEATS ME. AND THEN WE'RE TAKING THIS MONEY ON A HISTORIC BUILDING AND MODERNIZING IT TO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING WE JUST BUILT. AND THAT'S AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT WE STAND FOR IN HISTORIC AREA. THE BUILDING ACTUALLY HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DESIGN GUIDELINES AS, AS PART OF THE REVITALIZATION OF THAT BUILDING. SO WE'RE NOT MAKING IT LOOK NEW, THERE'S AN APPROVED PLAN, THAT PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE YEARS AGO, AND WE'RE IMPLEMENTING IT, BUT WE HAVE TO RESTORE IT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS CONTRACTOR INHERITED WAS WE HAD A CONTRACTOR THAT CAME IN AND PUT CONDUIT ALL UP AND DOWN THE EXISTING WALLS, WHICH DIDN'T MEET THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DESIGN GUIDELINES. THEY HAD TO COME IN AND REMOVE ALL THAT OUT OF THE START. SEE, THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE. WHAT I WILL SAY THOUGH, IS THIS IS LIKE ANY OLD HOUSE. EXACTLY. WHEN YOU OPEN UP A WALL AND YOU FIND SOMETHING STRUCTURAL, WE HAVE TO FIX IT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS. WITH THE CUPOLA, LITERALLY ONE OF THE CORNERS WAS HANGING IN THE AIR WITH NO, NO STRUCTURAL SUPPORT, AND IT WAS COCKED AT AN ANGLE.

SO WE'VE HAD TO PUT A BRACING IN THERE TO SUPPORT THAT. AND THAT'S SOME OF THAT IS A RESULT OF THE REPAIR WORK THAT WAS DONE YEARS AGO WHEN THE TORNADO CAME THROUGH, AND IT MESSED UP THE ROOF IN THE CUPOLA. IT JUST WASN'T REPAIRED CORRECTLY. AND THEN YOU HAVE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE BECAUSE WATER GOT IN. SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE, AND WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERN WITH THE NUMBER OF CHANGE ORDERS. BELIEVE ME, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE NUMBER OF CHANGE ORDERS, BUT WE'RE KIND OF AT THIS POINT WHERE WE'VE OPENED IT UP. WE FOUND THE PROBLEM, AND NOW WE GOT TO FIX IT. SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. SO THERE WAS NO STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO LOOK AT THIS BUILDING AND CHECK IT, AND THERE WAS NOBODY TO CHECK THE LAST CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT MADE ALL THESE MISTAKES. AND NOW WE GOT THIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY HERE THAT'S FINDING THE MISTAKES TO FIX IT. AND IF WE SAY NO, WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION COMPANY TO PROBABLY PUT THE MISTAKES BACK. THIS IS A MONEY PIT AND IT'S COSTING US IT'S A MONEY PIT. AND I DON'T EVEN SEE WHAT HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET ANY MONEY BACK FROM IT ONCE IT'S UP AND RUNNING? I'M GONNA HAVE A FEW MEETINGS HERE AND THERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TOO MANY DOLLARS BACK. I KNOW THAT MUCH. YEAH. SO I DON'T FOR $1 MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR NOW. TWO MORE MILLION. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR 2 MILLION. NO. YEAH. WE'RE AT THE ASK IS FOR THE 294,009 4078 THE, THE CITY ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE SOME YEARS AGO TO UTILIZE AND RESTORE SOUTHSIDE DEPOT AS A VISITOR'S CONTACT STATION FOR THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND THE CITY. SO THAT'S HOW WE'RE PROCEEDING FORWARD,

[04:00:04]

ALTHOUGH THEY GAVE US MONEY AND THERE WERE 40 CHANGE ORDERS BEFORE THIS MAN CAME ON BOARD.

THAT'S WHY I SAY, HOW MANY CHANGE ORDERS WHEN NOBODY COULD TELL ME THAT. SO SOMEBODY IS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL AND I'M KIND OF TIRED OF IT. SO EITHER WE GET A PROJECT MANAGER TO KNOW WHAT THE HELL HE'S DOING THAT THEY'VE DONE, OR ELSE THEY'VE DONE GOOD WORK. I MEAN, NOW I SAY THEY HAVE DONE VERY GOOD WORK AND HAVE FOUND DEFICIENCIES IN THE BUILDING. I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT THEY FOUND, AND THIS HAS BEEN SINCE 2015 AND TODAY IS 2024. NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT 2022 WHEN THEY STARTED. SO COUNCIL, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I'LL MOVE THAT WE PROVIDE THE, APPROPRIATION. COUNCILMAN CARPENTER, I SECOND IT. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. JONES. NO COUNCIL MEMBER. MYERS. COUNCIL MEMBER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. LEE. AYE VICE MAYOR. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 14. B, A RESOLUTION TO AMEND, THE PROCUREMENT GUIDELINES AND ACCORDANCE WITH. THE USE, THE USE OF CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT CONTRACTS. PER 2.2-4382 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA WITH RESPECT TO DESIGN, BUILD OR CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT CONTRACTS. PAGES 309 TO 3, 19.

SOME MISTER VICE MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. YES, THIS IS A SECTION OF THE PROCUREMENT MANUAL THAT WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE, AND WE NEED COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION TO BE ABLE TO ADD THAT INTO THE PURCHASING MANUAL SO WE CAN UTILIZE, THE ABILITY TO HAVE, CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT OR BUILD DESIGN, BUILD AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROJECTS. SO THIS SIMPLY ALLOWS US BY ADOPTING THIS SECTION OF THE STATE CODE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, THAT ALLOWS US TO THEN UTILIZE THOSE FORMS OF PROCUREMENT WHICH WE DO NOT PROVIDE FOR CURRENTLY IN OUR, PROCUREMENT MANUAL. RIGHT, RIGHT. YOU HAD SOME REFERENCES IN THERE PREVIOUSLY TO CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT CONTRACTS, BUT IT WAS VERY OLD.

AND SO THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE TO ENABLE THEM TO USE THAT TOOL FOR PROCUREMENT. OKAY, COUNCIL, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE. AND WHERE IS THIS AT? 14 B RIGHT. 14 B PALMER STREET. WELL, IT'S FOR US TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT ON ANY TYPE BECAUSE OF PALMISTRY. IT'S FOR US TO BE ABLE TO USE IT ON ANY PROPERTY. RIGHT. IT'S FOR ANY PROPERTY. BUT THAT IS THAT IS THE PROJECT THAT PROMPTED THEM TO WANT TO ADD. THIS WAS THE SUGGESTION THAT THEY TRY TO USE IT ON THAT PROPERTY INITIALLY.

HIRE, HIRE SOMEONE, CONTRACTOR TO DO DESIGN BUILD FOR US. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT CURRENTLY IN THAT ABILITY IN THE CODE. SO WE CONSULT WE CONSULTED. WELL FIRST AND I TRIED TO TAKE THE LIBERTY THAT COUNCIL GAVE ME TO AMEND THE PURCHASING MANUAL. BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE THAT AUTHORITY. SO WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING SO COUNCIL CAN GIVE US THE AUTHORITY TO AMEND THE CODE BY ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION. THIS IS TO PUT OUT AN RFP TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR SO WE COULD USE DESIGN BUILD WHEN WE HIRE CONTRACTOR TO DESIGN BUILD WORKFORCE. YES SIR. ALL RIGHT. WELL, YEAH. CHIEF, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP HERE AND SAY SOMETHING? I MEAN. I NEED I NEED SOME CLARITY, AND I'M HOLDING YOU ALL UP, AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GO HOME. I GOT TO LET THE DOGS OUT. SO BUT I NEED SOME CLARITY ON THIS IS PALMER STREET PROPERTY.

ALL RIGHT. WHERE ARE YOU, CHIEF? WITH THIS, PLEASE. WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE YOU EVERYTHING THAT

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WE'RE ASKING FOR THE ABILITY TO AMEND OUR PURCHASING MANUAL TO ALLOW US TO USE DESIGN, BUILD AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT CONTRACTS TO DO THE WORK. WE'LL COME BACK WITH TO WITH YOU WITH A PRICE FOR FARMER STREET LATER. BUT THIS JUST ALLOWS US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUTTING A BID OUT QUICKLY IN A MANNER THAT WE CAN'T DO NOW UNDER OUR PROCUREMENT. BUT MR. CITY MANAGER, YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU HAVE ON HERE 400 FARMER STREET DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANYWHERE ELSE WHERE. YEAH WELL THAT SO I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE HE JUST HAD ME. OH I KNOW I AM.

SO THAT THAT IS ON THE, THE I THAT IS ON THE, ON THERE BUT REALLY IT IS. Y'ALL DON'T UNDERSTAND. SO THAT IS THERE, IT IT THIS IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT IF WE DO THIS IT WILL HELP US WITH. BUT IT ISN'T SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR THIS PROJECT. IT PROBABLY THAT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THAT WE RECOMMEND COUNCIL APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TO ADOPT, TO ALLOW US TO DO IT. NOT SPECIFICALLY. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL TO ADOPT SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY FOR FARMER STREET. WE'RE ASKING FOR COUNCIL TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION, REFERENCING 2.2 48 4382 OF THE VIRGINIA CODE, MAKING THAT REFERENCE IN AMENDING OUR PURCHASING MANUAL TO ALLOW US TO USE, DESIGN, BUILD AND CONSTRUCT THE CITY MANAGER, THE SAINTS RECOMMENDATION, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS RECOMMENDS THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE RESOLUTION TO BENEFIT THE 400 FARMER STREET POLICE HEADQUARTERS RENOVATION, AS WELL AS OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE. YES I GET THAT CORRECT AND IT WOULD THE ADOPTING. I'M ASKING SPECIFICALLY HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO BE USED ON FARMER STREET AND WHAT IS THE COST TO FINISH UP FARMER STREET? SO THIS WILL ALLOW US TO USE THIS ON FARMER STREET AND POTENTIALLY OTHER PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING ON. THE FINAL COST OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AT FARMER STREET TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL. AND WE ARE WE WITH THAT FORWARD WHAT IS THE QUOTE RIGHT NOW. WELL THERE IT THE QUOTE REALLY IS DEPENDENT UPON THE LEVEL OF WHAT WE'RE WHAT WHAT FINISHES WE WANT IN THE BUILDING. AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH THE CHIEF TO GET THAT TO A MANAGEABLE NUMBER. OKAY I WANT TO GO HOME, AND I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION, BUT I ASKED YOU, WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT QUOTE? IT'S ANYWHERE. RANDALL, WHAT'S THE CURRENT CURRENT QUOTE? ANYWHERE BETWEEN 10 TO $20 MILLION. OKAY THAT'S WHAT I.

ALL RIGHT. ANYWHERE BETWEEN THERE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME TO A COMPROMISE TO BE ABLE TO GET THE CHIEF WHAT HE NEEDS, BUT GET HIM IN THERE AT THE CHEAPEST PRICE. AND IF WE APPROVE THIS IS THIS GOING TO SUPPORT YOU GETTING A BETTER FINISH? YES QUOTE. YES, SIR. AND WHAT YOU HAVE JUST QUOTED US. CORRECT YEAH. THAT'S THAT WOULD THAT'S DEFINITELY THE HOPE. YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT THEN I MOVE TO ADOPT. THIS RECOMMENDED, RESOLUTION. SECOND. THE CLERK IS NOT HERE, SO I'LL CALL THE ROLL. COUNCILMAN CUTLER. AYE. COUNCILMAN JONES. AYE.

COUNCILMEMBER WESTBROOK. AYE. COUNCILMAN. MYERS. COUNCILMAN. SMITH. LEE. AND I, I VOTE AYE, I

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[16. Business or reports from the Clerk]

THANK YOU. THIS IS, CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE I MEAN ADJOURNED.

THANK

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