Sep 02, 2025 Special Joint City Council Meeting with the Planning Commission

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MAYOR. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR CLOSED SESSION. NEXT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. WE'RE READY TO GET STARTED WITH OUR SPECIAL JOINT MEETING WITH THE

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VICE MAYOR. HILL HERE. MAYOR. PAIR HERE. SIR, I NEED TO CALL THE ROLL FOR THE NEXT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. NEXT, WE'LL HAVE THE ROLL CALL FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU. SIR.

COMMISSIONER CANNON. COMMISSIONER. HARLEY. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.

COMMISSIONER. KATZENBACH. COMMISSIONER. KOO. COMMISSIONER. HAIRSTON. COMMISSIONER. NORMAN.

COMMISSIONER. BLAND. COMMISSIONER. FORD. SIR. YOU HAVE A QUORUM. ALL RIGHT. THANK

[3.a. Public Hearing and Consideration of an Ordinance to Approve a Request by Chris Winslow of Winslow, McCurry & MacCormac, PLLC, on Behalf of SP-Thirteen Properties, LLC, for a Special Use Permit to Operate an Assisted Living Facility at 36 West Fillmore Street, Parcel ID 022360001, in the R-B Office-Apartment Zoning District]

AS YOU ALL KNOW, TYPICALLY A LEGAL NONCONFORMING STATUS IS LOST IF A USE IS CEASED FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS, BUT IN THIS CASE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAD DETERMINED THAT THAT ACTIVE WORK TO KEEP THE USE. CREATED A NONCONFORMING STATUS, A LEGAL NONCONFORMING STATUS, SO THAT DETERMINATION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WAS CHALLENGED, AND IT WAS ULTIMATELY OVERTURNED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS IN APRIL OF THIS

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SO A MAJORITY OF THE IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ALSO WITHIN THE RB OFFICE APARTMENT DISTRICT. YOU DO HAVE SOME PARCELS TO THE SOUTH AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF. OF HARRISON STREET THAT ARE IN THE R3 TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT IN THE NORTHWEST. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME R5, WHICH IS MULTI-FAMILY ZONING AND SURROUNDING USES ARE KIND OF A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL USES. OF NOTE, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ARE THE HONORA GARDENS, THE AGE RESTRICTED APARTMENTS. SO LOOKING AT THE REQUEST COMPARED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A COUPLE CONSIDERATIONS. THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS A HISTORIC CORE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, SO THESE AREAS ARE DESCRIBED AS BEING SORT OF THE HEART OF THE CITY AND REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE CITY, WITH AN OBVIOUS FOCUS ON NEIGHBORHOOD AND EXISTING PATTERNS. SENIOR HOUSING IS LISTED AS A PRIMARY LAND USE WITHIN THOSE AREAS, AS WELL AS A MIX OF OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES AND THEN SOME, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY BASED USES. SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, COMMUNITY CENTERS. SO PRINCIPLES OF DEVELOPMENT FOR HISTORIC CORE NEIGHBORHOOD AREAS INCLUDE THE RENOVATION AND REUSE OF EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT ENCOURAGES DIVERSITY AMONGST HOUSING TYPES AND RESIDENT TYPES. AND THEN I DID WANT TO PROVIDE A PASSAGE. THE APPLICATION SPEAKS A LOT ABOUT THE FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, OLDER INDIVIDUALS AND AGING IN PLACE IS THE CONCEPT BEHIND IT. AND FROM THE COMP PLAN, AS PETERSBURG'S POPULATION OF OLDER ADULTS CONTINUES TO INCREASE, IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT THOSE WHO DESIRE TO AGE IN PLACE ARE SUPPORTED. HOUSING OPTIONS LIKE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES CAN PROVIDE SENIORS WITH ROUTINE MEDICAL CARE AND DAILY SUPPORT, WHILE ALSO GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN NEEDING TO GO TO A MORE INTENSIVE FACILITY. SO. WE ARE. WE DID WANT TO PUT A FEW CONDITIONS IN FRONT OF YOU ALL FOR

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IF THEY FAIL TO MAINTAIN THAT ACTIVE LICENSURE, THAT THAT WOULD OPEN THEM TO REVIEW AND POSSIBLE REVOCATION OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. QUALIFIED STAFF WILL SHALL BE ON SITE 24 HOURS A DAY. IF WE WERE TO RECEIVE REPEATED, SUBSTANTIATED COMPLAINTS ABOUT ADEQUATE STAFFING AND SUPERVISION AGAIN, IT COULD RESULT IN REVIEW AND POSSIBLE REVOCATION OF THE PERMIT. THE PERMIT SERVES AS AN APPROVAL FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY AS AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY FOR AGED AND INFIRMED INDIVIDUALS, AS WAS DESCRIBED IN THE APPLICATION, ANY EXPANSION OF THE SCOPE OF SERVICES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE USING THE FACILITY AS ANY SORT OF OUTPATIENT CLINIC OR INPATIENT MEDICATION ASSISTED TREATMENT, WOULD BE PROHIBITED. THE FACILITY SHALL BE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF 60 BEDS FOR RESIDENTS. ANY EXPANSION BEYOND THAT NUMBER WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL INCLUDE SOME AMENITIES FOR RESIDENTS, INCLUDING OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS AND THEN. SOME OF THE FOLLOWING WHETHER A GARDEN AREA, GAZEBO, FITNESS EQUIPMENT, GAMING AREA. THE ON SITE DUMPSTERS NEED TO BE PLACED WITHIN AN ENCLOSED AN ENCLOSURE WITH OPAQUE SCREENING. ANY NEW OWNER OPERATOR OF THE FACILITY WOULD NEED TO REGISTER AND CERTIFY WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR THAT THEY'RE UNDERTAKING THE SAME OR LIKE ENDEAVORS ON THE PROPERTY, AND THAT THEIR OPERATION WILL REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED PERMIT. AND FINALLY, THIS PERMIT MAY BE REVOKED BY THE CITY OF PETERSBURG CITY COUNCIL OR ITS DESIGNATED AGENT FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH ANY OF THE LISTED CONDITIONS OR ANY FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL LAW. SO JUST SOME CLOSING THOUGHTS. SO THE PROPOSED USE, AS IT'S DESCRIBED IN THE APPLICATION, DOES APPEAR TO ALIGN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE HISTORIC CORE NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HISTORICAL USE OF THE PROPERTY AS AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY WITH THE EXISTING MIX OF RESIDENTIAL USE TYPES IN THE AREA, INCLUDING EXISTING AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING, THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WOULD. BE ENCOURAGING OF THE USE, BUT I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN THERE WERE ISSUES, SERIOUS ISSUES WITH THE FACILITY THAT OPERATED IN THAT LOCATION IN THE PAST. THERE ARE STILL A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS WHO HAVE RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE SITE, THE SUPERVISION OF RESIDENTS. AND ESSENTIALLY JUST LOOKING FOR SOME ASSURANCE THAT THESE WON'T BE ISSUES THAT WILL PRESENT THEMSELVES. AGAIN. ON THE FLIP SIDE, THE PROPERTY OWNER DID PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND HAS MADE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT INTO THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY AS AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, LARGELY PRIOR TO THE DETERMINATION THAT THE USE WASN'T LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING AND THE APPLICANTS NOW FOLLOWING THE PROCESS THAT WAS RECOMMENDED, WHICH WAS TO COME BEFORE YOU ALL TO SEEK THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE FORMER FILLMORE PLACE OPERATION THAT WAS SHUT DOWN BY THE STATE. AND FINALLY, JUST THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE RECOMMENDED TO KIND OF CREATE A BALANCE HERE TO ENSURE THAT IT'S A QUALITY FACILITY, THAT SERVICES ARE PROVIDED FOR THE RESIDENTS. THAT, BUT ALSO THAT SAFEGUARDS ARE PUT IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OFFSET ANY POTENTIAL NEGATIVE COMMUNITY IMPACTS THAT MAY COME WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY USE. SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE FOR STAFF. OR TYPICALLY I'M GOING

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OH. DID YOU? OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. HONORABLE MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS CHRIS WINSLOW, I DO REPRESENT SP 13 PROPERTIES. I THINK WE HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. AND THERE IT IS. THIS IS THE ONE SOURCE ASSISTED LIVING CENTER. AND THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUEST AS DESCRIBED BY STAFF JUST NOW. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I DO WANT AND MAYBE I NEED TO DO THAT HERE. SHOULD I DO THAT HERE. YES OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO DESCRIBE THE NEED A LITTLE BIT AND SET THE TABLE FOR A ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY LICENSE FACILITY IN PETERSBURG AND IN THE AREA. THE NIH SUGGESTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 4 MILLION MORE BABY BOOMERS OVER THE AGE OF 80 IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, RIGHT NOW, 16.7% OF RESIDENTS ARE OVER THE AGE OF 65. AND WE WILL SEE AN INCREASED NEED FOR FACILITIES LIKE ASSISTED LIVING. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ASSISTED LIVING, WE KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT, THE DAILY ACTIVITIES, PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP EATING OR A LOT OF TIMES IT'S REMEMBERING MEDICATION OR GETTING DRESSED, SOMETIMES BATHING THESE SORTS OF ACTIVITIES. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THERE ARE LIMITED, AFFORDABLE SENIOR CARE OPTIONS. BASED ON MY COUNT, WE HAVE 16 EXISTING ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES IN THE AREA THAT PROVIDE RESIDENTS WITH WITH A CHOICE. BUT WE DO HAVE THAT GROWING DEMAND. I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THIS IS BECAUSE IT IS AN ESSENTIAL HEALTH CARE STRUCTURE.

IT IS CHEAPER THAN A NURSING HOME, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LEVELS OF CARE HERE. IT DOES BRIDGE THAT GAP BETWEEN INDEPENDENT LIVING LIKE A TRADITIONAL AGE IN PLACE IN A HOME. PERHAPS THAT YOUR GRANDFATHER, YOUR GRANDMOTHER HAVE LIVED IN FOR YEARS AND THEN NURSING CARE. SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE HERE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND SO WHAT WE DO PROVIDE IS 24 HOUR MEDICAL SUPERVISION. AND TO THE EXTENT SOMEONE NEEDS ADDITIONAL CARE, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THAT ADDITIONAL CARE. IF WE CAN'T OFFER IT AT THE CENTER.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE PROFESSIONAL OVERSIGHT. OF COURSE, WE'RE SEEKING LICENSURE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES. THAT APPLICATION IS ALREADY IN AND PENDING. THE MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS BECAUSE AS WE AGE, WE WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A NEED FOR ELIMINATING SOCIAL ISOLATION AND HAVING STRUCTURED ACTIVITIES IN PLACE FOR FOR RESIDENTS. AND SOME OF THOSE ACTIVITIES. I CIRCLED A FEW ON THE CALENDAR THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ALREADY. YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE EXERCISE GROUP OR PATRICK'S DAY, SAINT PATRICK'S DAY, PHOTO SHOOTS, REMINISCING GROUPS, MANICURES, COFFEE CIRCLES AND TRIPS, YOU KNOW, SHOPPING TRIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO PROVIDE FOR THIS, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE MEMBERS WHO ARE THERE. WE ALSO THINK THAT THIS REDUCES DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST HAVING AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, BUT WE'RE HAVING AN ASSISTED LIVING COMMUNITY. WE'RE TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. AND AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THIS. ANOTHER IS ENHANCED PUBLIC SAFETY. WE WILL HAVE 24 HOUR STAFFING. WE WILL HAVE NATURAL SURVEILLANCE THAT RESULTS FROM THAT, BUT ALSO KEYCARD SECURITY AND CAMERAS ALL AROUND THE BUILDING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING THE CONSISTENT LEVEL OF SAFETY FOR NOT ONLY OUR RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS AROUND US. AND THAT WILL BE PROFESSIONALLY MONITORED. AGAIN, HITTING ON COMMUNITY STABILITY.

WE WILL HAVE PROFESSIONAL PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. WE WILL MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE THE PROPERTY BE OCCUPIED. I THINK OUR SWEET SPOT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 50 AND 60 RESIDENTS THERE. THERE ARE NO SINGLE BEDROOMS, SO WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST TWO IN EVERY ROOM. A COUPLE OF THE ROOMS ARE LARGER AND MAY ACCOMMODATE THREE IF WE GET TO THAT CLOSE TO THAT 60 NUMBER. BUT AS YOU WILL SEE FROM MR. WILLIAMS DRAWING, MOST ROOMS WILL HAVE TWO. THE

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YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN ALREADY SOME OF THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE GENERATION FROM THIS PROPERTY. WE KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE SOME VISITS THAT OCCUR FROM SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND AND GRANDCHILDREN TO VISIT THE RESIDENTS HERE. AND SO WE KNOW THAT THAT WILL STIMULATE SOME LOCAL COMMERCE AS WELL. IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT THAT OUT. WE ALSO THINK THAT ASSISTED LIVING IS GOOD BECAUSE IT DOES REDUCE EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS. WHEN YOU HAVE MEDICAL MONITORING GOING ON LIKE WE HAVE HERE, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE MAKE SURE WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THE APPROPRIATE CARE THEY NEED WITHOUT HAVING TO SEND EVERYONE TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COST OF HEALTH CARE. IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED EARLIER BY STAFF, BUT AGING IN PLACE IS A BIG DEAL. KEEPING SENIORS IN THEIR HOME, MAINTAINING NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUITY, ADDING SOME HOUSING DIVERSITY AND SOME HOUSING STOCK THAT'S THAT'S MORE DIVERSE IS A GOOD THING FOR THE CITIZENRY AND A GOOD THING NOT JUST HERE IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, BUT EVERYWHERE. WE'RE GOING TO NEED THESE FACILITIES ALL OVER. INTERGENERATIONAL PROGRAM OPPORTUNITIES IS SOMETHING WE FORESEE HAPPENING, AS WELL AS BEING ABLE TO HAVE PROGRAMING OPPORTUNITIES TO, WITH AND AND FOR THE COMMUNITY HERE. TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE, WE CAN HAVE SOME VOLUNTEER ENGAGEMENT AND BE GOOD CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF PETERSBURG. FOR TRAFFIC AND NOISE. I DID WANT TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC. ACCORDING TO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING HANDBOOK. THIS IS THE INSTITUTE OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. THEIR TYPICAL YOUR TYPICAL BED IN ONE OF THESE UNITS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES GENERATES 2.6 TRIPS PER BED. WE AND THAT'S THAT'S MUCH LOWER THAN WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR WHICH IS APARTMENTS AT 6.65 TRIPS PER PER UNIT. WE WILL HAVE QUIET OPERATIONS. AND OF COURSE, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE ARCHITECTURE, MINIMAL PARKING DEMANDS ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE AND JUST UNDERSCORE WHAT STAFF SAID EARLIER. WE WE DID COMPLETE A $1.8 MILLION RENOVATION OF THE FACILITY INSIDE AND OUT. AND PURSUANT TO A LETTER FROM THE CITY ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, THE THE AREA IMMEDIATELY AROUND THIS FACILITY HAS SEEN A GREAT INCREASE IN THE ASSESSED VALUE OF PROPERTY IN THIS AREA, AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT LETTER TO THE EXTENT ANYONE WANTS TO SEE THAT AGAIN, WE WILL KEEP A NEAT FRONT AND BACK AND SIDES, AND WITH PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE.

THESE ARE SOME PICTURES WHICH SOME OF WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN OF THE COMPLETED EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR. THE APPLICANT ACCEPTS ALL OF THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROFFERED BY STAFF, AND I WON'T GO BACK THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE AND BELABOR THAT. I WOULD NOW ASK FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, AND I'M HAPPY IF. MR. MAYOR, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND HOLD AS WELL. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MR. WINSLOW. ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE PUBLIC THE PUBLIC HEARING, MR. JULIAN GREEN.

HELLO, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JULIAN GREEN JUNIOR. MY RESIDENCE IS 1625 BLAIR ROAD, PETERSBURG. AND I AM HERE TODAY FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING TO RENDER MY FEELINGS AND OBSERVATION FOR WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS LOCATED. YOU WELL KNOW, I ATTEND FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH ON HARRISON STREET. I ONCE WAS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MARY CARTER BEACON HOUSE, ONCE WORKED WITH SYCAMORE TOWERS AND THE LAFAYETTE HOUSE. SO WE HAVE SEEN THESE KINDS OF OPERATION IN THAT AREA, AND WITH SPECIFIC EMPHASIS TO THE HISTORIC POPLAR DISTRICT. WE SAY TO YOU SOMETIMES, AS THEY SAY, YOU CAN PAINT SOMETHING A DIFFERENT COLOR, BUT THE USE AND THE PROPERTY BEING USED REMAINS THE

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WHAT OUR SIGNS INDICATE, WHAT OUR HISTORY INDICATE PRESENTLY IN THE TIMES THAT WE'RE LIVING IN. AND TO THAT AVAIL. I'M HERE BECAUSE IN THREE PARTICULAR CATEGORIES. IN NUMBER ONE, THEY COME F THOSE IN NUMBER ONE, NO ONE HELP. THEN THEY CAME FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN NUMBER TWO, NO ONE CAME. AND WHEN THEY CAME FOR NUMBER THREE, THERE WASN'T ANYONE THERE TO HELP. SO WE WANT TO SAY TO THE RESIDENTS, THE HISTORIC POPLAR LAWN AREA, THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME, AND THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE TO ESTABLISH SOME BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT I'LL GO TO MR. MARK PARSON WITH 13TH STREET, 13 PROPERTIES. YES.

MARK PARSON 13819 SYCAMORE VILLAGE DRIVE, MIDLOTHIAN, VIRGINIA. SO AGAIN, MY NAME IS MARK PARSON AND I'M A FORMER NFL PLAYER FOR THE HOUSTON TEXANS. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS I WANT TO EXPRESS MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR BRINGING THE FILLMORE ASSISTED LIVING PROJECT TO THE CITY. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS WILL BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET. IT WILL PROVIDE SENIORS WITH THE HIGH QUALITY CARE THEY DESERVE, AND KEEP FAMILIES FROM HAVING TO LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE CITY FOR THESE ESSENTIAL SERVICES. MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT WILL GIVE PETERSBURG THE OPPORTUNITY TO HONOR AND CARE FOR ITS ELDERS, THE VERY PEOPLE WHO LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR THIS COMMUNITY WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT RIGHT HERE AT HOME. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SHARE MY SUPPORT. THANK YOU. NEXT, MISS KATRINA PARKER. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS KATRINA PARKER. MY ADDRESS 1700 MONTICELLO STREET. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS INITIATIVE. AS A NATIVE AND BORN AND RAISED HERE IN PETERSBURG. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS INITIATIVE ONE, BECAUSE I HAVE THE I HAVE HAD. AFFILIATIONS WITH THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME. I'VE WORKED WITH MANY OF THE POPULATIONS WHO WOULD BE WELL SERVED BY THIS INITIATIVE. AS A HOUSING CASE MANAGER, I'VE WORKED WITH MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN SYCAMORE TOWERS, THAT LIVE AT CARRIAGE HOUSE AND OTHER FACILITIES, AND I, AS A PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, WHILE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES IN THIS AREA, THE SERVICES ARE VERY LIMITED. MY MOTHER AND MY FATHER, BOTH RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY WHO BECAME ILL, WHO NEEDED ASSISTED LIVING SERVICES. I WANTED TO KEEP THEM CLOSE TO HOME BUT WAS NOT ABLE TO BECAUSE THERE WAS NO AVAILABILITY. IT'S VERY RARE THAT YOU CAN FIND AVAILABILITY HERE. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I FEEL LIKE THIS INITIATIVE WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY TO ASSIST OUR CITIZENS IN FINDING COMFORTABLE, RELIABLE, ASSISTED LIVING WITH A LOT OF THE FACILITIES THAT ARE THAT ARE CURRENTLY HERE. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT THEY'RE SUBPAR, AND A LOT OF THE THE FACILITIES THAT I HAVE DEALT WITH, WITH CLIENTS THAT I HAVE WORKED WITH IN THIS CITY WERE NOT TO THEIR LIKING. AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE AND FAITH THAT ONE SOURCE WOULD BRING EXCEPTIONAL SERVICES TO THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT, MISS ZELDA TUCKER DUGGER. GREETINGS YOU ALL. PROTOCOL ESTABLISHED I'M ZELDA TUCKER DUGGER. I RESIDE AT 922 PEARL STREET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIFTH WARD. AND THE STRUCTURE THAT IS BEING ABOUT TO OPEN. HOPEFULLY WE ARE IN NEED OF IT.

IT APPEARS THAT THIS COMMUNITY NOW IS TRYING TO REVITALIZE ITSELF FOR WHATEVER THE NEXT VENUE WILL BE. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT LOOKING AT THE FORMER BUILDING THAT WAS THERE, IT WAS

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NEXT, MISS ADRIEN BROOM WITH 13 PROPERTIES. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ADRIAN BROOM. 15012 MOORE STREET. HOPE YOU DON'T MIND. I WROTE SOME THOUGHTS DOWN JUST SO I CAN STAY ON TRACK. MAKE SURE SOME KEY POINTS I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE FILLMORE PROJECT, AS THEY'RE SEEKING APPROVAL TO OPERATE AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY FOR OLDER ADULTS. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITIES ARE EXPERIENCING RAPID GROWTH IN THE NUMBER OF OLDER ADULTS WHO NEED SAFE, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING OPTIONS. FAMILIES ARE SEARCHING FOR HIGH QUALITY FACILITIES WHERE THEIR LOVED ONES CAN RECEIVE COMPASSIONATE CARE CLOSE TO HOME. THIS PROJECT DIRECTLY RESPONDS TO THAT NEED BY CREATING A SAFE SPACE FOR OLDER RESIDENTS, NO MATTER THEIR ECONOMIC BACKGROUND, CAN LIVE WITH DIGNITY, SECURITY, AND COMMUNITY CONNECTION. MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT ALLOWS OUR SENIORS WHO BUILT AND SHAPED THIS VERY COMMUNITY TO REMAIN CLOSE TO FAMILY, FRIENDS AND FAMILIAR SURROUNDINGS. NOW, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT NEIGHBORS MAY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC NOISE OR THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. FROM MY EXPERIENCE, ONE SOURCE GROUP HAS ALWAYS BEEN COMMITTED TO BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. I LOVE HOW THIS FACILITY IS DESIGNED TO BLEND SEAMLESSLY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, MAINTAINING RESIDENTIAL CHARM AND ENSURING THAT TRAFFIC FLOW AND PARKING ARE WELL MANAGED. IN CLOSING, I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN APPROVING THIS APPLICATION.

THIS FACILITY REPRESENTS MORE THAN JUST A BUSINESS. IT IS A PROMISE TO CARE FOR THOSE WHO ONCE CARED FOR US. TO STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNITY AND HONOR THE HISTORY OF PETERSBURG BY PROVIDING PEACE OF MIND FOR FOR FAMILIES WHO WANT THE VERY BEST FOR THEIR LOVED ONES.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT, MISS SHEREE PARSON WITH SP 13. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OUR PLANNING COMMISSION. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO STAND HERE IN SUPPORT OF 13 SP 13 PROPERTIES BY WAY OF ONE SOURCE, COMMUNITY SERVICES. A FORMER MEMBER JUST SPOKE ABOUT REVITALIZATION. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

PRIOR TO 2022, WE'VE ALL SEEN THE NEWS ARTICLES. WE'VE ALL SEEN HOW THE IMPACT WAS TO OUR CITY AND TO THOSE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE. IN FACT, WE HEARD THOSE STORIES MANY MOONS THEREAFTER. BUT WE'RE HERE TODAY WITH REGARD TO REVITALIZATION. THERE IS A NEED.

THERE IS AN AMAZING, BEAUTIFUL FACILITY WITH A GREAT HEART AND COMPASSION TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. WITH THAT SAID, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR ELDERLY, SOME OTHER MEMBERS HAVE SHARED THAT WHAT MY PARENTS CLOSE TO ME. I WANT MY FAMILY LOVED ONES SO I CAN KEEP AN EYE ON THEM.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE SOURCE STANDS FOR IS THAT TRANSPARENCY IS THAT SENSE OF GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND MAYBE WHAT WHAT WE CAN SEE AS FAR AS FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, BUT REALLY CARING FOR THE HEART OF PEOPLE. I'VE SEEN THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY THROUGH SP 13, PROPERTIES AND COMPANIES THAT ARE OWNED BY ONE SOURCE, THIS IS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO REVITALIZE A PART OF PETERSBURG TO SERVE IN NEED OF OUR CITIZENS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT, MR. CALVIN DUNCAN. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CALVIN DUNCAN, 1300 MOULTRIE LANE. I'M IN SUPPORT OF ONE SOURCE. I BELIEVE THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AND HELP OUR SENIORS. I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY NEED A PLACE. THEY NEED A SAFE HAVEN, A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HEAL, A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE HAPPINESS, AND A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE HOPE. AND I BELIEVE THAT THE FACILITY, AS YOU SAW, WAS BEAUTIFUL. IT'S FIRST CLASS. AND FOR US TO CONTINUE TO ENHANCE PETERSBURG IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE THAT SOMETIME WE NEED TO BRING IN NEW THINGS SO THAT

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GOOD EVENING. FERGUSON. I RESIDE AT SIX THREE, THREE ONE HARBORSIDE DRIVE IN MIDLOTHIAN, VIRGINIA. I AM ABSOLUTELY IN SUPPORT OF OPENING ONE SOURCE ASSISTED LIVING. I HAVE WORKED FOR MR. PARSON FOR 16 YEARS AND I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN HIM TO BE OF EXCELLENT AND HAVE EXCELLENT MORAL CHARACTER. HE GENUINELY CARES ABOUT THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE AND THE RESIDENTS THAT WE SERVE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT, ASHLEY. PENNER ON 1020. PARKER. YES. OKAY. PERFECT.

1025 GOOD EVENING. 1025 VETERANS LANE. AND I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF ONE SOURCE. I AM CURRENTLY AN EMPLOYEE OF ONE SOURCE. I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED WITH THEM FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS OR SO. I ACTUALLY WAS AN EMPLOYEE OF TRI-CITY GARDENS OR FILLMORE PLACE, FORMERLY KNOWN AS. AND I JUST WANT TO SPEAK ON THE DIFFERENCE IN SERVICES THAT MR. PARSONS PROVIDE. MY CURRENT ROLE. THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL SUPERVISOR, SO SOME OF MY JOB DUTIES IS ASSURING THAT OUR STAFF ARE PROPERLY TAKING CARE OF OUR CLIENTS, OUR RESIDENTS, RATHER MEDICATION MANAGEMENT, SAFETY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ABOVE, AND WORKING FOR FILLMORE PLACE PRIOR AND WORKING WITH MR. PARSONS. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE TYPE OF SERVICES AND THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST, AS A NATIVE OF PETERSBURG AS WELL, YOU KNOW, THE THE QUALITY OF SERVICES MATTER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HAVING RESIDENTS OUT ON THE STREET, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORING HOUSINGS HAVE, THOSE SERVICES ARE UP TO PAR IN MY IN MY OPINION. AND YEAH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT. TING. YOGI. WAS IT CLOSE? THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS TINGEY AND I. MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT 116 LIBERTY STREET, PETERSBURG. I HAVE THREE MAJOR CONCERNS I WANT TO ADDRESS. FIRST IS ADHERENCE TO PROPER PROCESS AND PROCEDURES. ACCORDING TO VIRGINIA CODE, ANY PROPOSAL NEEDS TO GIVE, QUOTE, REASONABLE CONSIDERATION TO THE EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTED IN MAY 2024 THAT ADDRESSES THE KIND OF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, NOT SENIOR HOUSING BEING PROVIDED. SO I OFFER YOU THIS FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS REASONABLE CONSIDERATION WHEN A DEVELOPMENT OR REZONING APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION MUST ENSURE THAT THE APPLICATION MEETS ORDINANCE STANDARDS AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND FROM PAGE 67, BLIGHT ABATEMENT IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS REFERRING TO PRESERVING HISTORIC DISTRICT, QUOTE. IT PAVES THE WAY FOR INFILL THAT IS COMPLEMENTARY TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. THE CITY SHOULD ESTABLISH A DATA DRIVEN REAL ESTATE DATABASE TO INCLUDE PROPERTY RECORDS, MAPS, AND CODE VIOLATIONS TO SUPPORT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND POLICY DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS. ULTIMATELY, FURTHER STUDY WILL BE NECESSARY TO DEVELOP FULLY COMPREHENSIVE BLIGHT ABATEMENT STRATEGY. THIS SHOULD BE A SHORT TERM, HIGH PRIORITY. END QUOTE. ALSO, THERE IS THE ONGOING ISSUE OF COMPLIANCE WITH CITY CODES. THE NEW OWNERS DO NOT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN THIS SPECIFIC FIELD OF ASSISTED LIVING. AT PRESENT. WE ARE PAINFULLY AWARE, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACKNOWLEDGES, THAT CODE COMPLIANCE IS OVERWHELMED AND EFFORTS TO ENFORCE EXISTING VIOLATIONS, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO VIOLATIONS OF R-3 HOUSING. IT WAS DETERMINED IN PREVIOUS HEARINGS THAT PROCEDURES WERE NOT FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT. SPECIFICALLY, THAT THE TIME FOR APPLYING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT HAD EXPIRED. SECONDLY, I AM

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WE HAVE A DIRE SHORTAGE OF PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIANS AND SPECIALISTS, SPECIALISTS IN GERIATRIC CARE THAT ARE NOT ADDRESSED IN THE OWNER'S APPLICATION, THE PRIOR POWERPOINT PRESENTATION NOTWITHSTANDING, WHAT ASSURANCES DO WE HAVE THAT THIS WILL BE RESPONSIBLY RUN FACILITY? THIRD, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY'S POSITION SHOULD BE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT A RESIDENTIAL R-3 COMMUNITY SHOULD BE. WE HAVE A REVIVAL IN RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IN OUR AREA. WE MOVE AROUND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON LIBERTY HARRISON AND BURN, AND ON HARDING AVENUE AND THE AREA SURROUNDING THE OLD VIRGINIA AVENUE SCHOOL, AND HAVE SEEN DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENTS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE IT OF CONTINUED INTEREST FOR HOME BUYERS AND BUILDERS TO RESTORE AND CONSTRUCT HOMES IN OUR RESIDENTIAL AREA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NEXT, MISS DIANE CURLEY. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. I ALSO HAPPEN TO LIVE AT 116 LIBERTY STREET. WE JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE BEEN MARRIED 51 YEARS, SO I GUESS I HAVE TO CLAIM HIM AS MY OWN. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT PART OF THE DEBATE TONIGHT OR OR THE ISSUES TONIGHT IS, IS A LITTLE OFF TRACK. WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING ENTIRELY WHETHER WE NEED MORE ASSISTED LIVING OR MORE HOUSING FOR THE ELDERLY. CLEARLY, I'M IN SUPPORT OF HOUSING FOR THE ELDERLY, BUT WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND HOW HOW IT SHOULD BE. AND RIGHT NOW, WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON HARRISON STREET, LIBERTY STREET AND FILLMORE. THIS AREA, THIS ONE BLOCK OF AREA OF OF FILLMORE PLACE, I DON'T THINK CAN HANDLE AND HARRISON AND LIBERTY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE USED AS A CUT THROUGH ALL THIS STAFF AND ALL THE RESIDENTS AND OR THEIR FAMILIES WHO ARE GOING TO COME THROUGH HERE. THAT'S ONE ISSUE.

ANOTHER ISSUE IS THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND I BELIEVE THE CITY ATTORNEY MISSPOKE. I BELIEVE THAT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING HERE IN THIS COMPLEX IS 90 YEARS OLD, THAT IT WAS BUILT IN 1936. AND THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL RED BRICK BUILDING. NOW, ONE SOURCE I'M SURE HAS THE BEST OF INTENTIONS, BUT THEY WENT IN AND WITH A HISTORIC 90 YEAR OLD BUILDING, THEY PAINTED IT THAT, FORGIVE ME, UGLY PRISON GRAY COLOR. THEY ALSO TORE OUT THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS AND REPLACED THEM WITH VINYL WINDOWS. THEY, IN ADDITION TO THAT, TORE OFF THE ORIGINAL SLATE ROOF AND PUT IN A ROOF THAT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE, TORE IT OFF, BUT DID NOT REPLACE IT WITH A SLATE ROOF. SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A HISTORIC BUILDING AND REPLACE IT WITH INEXPENSIVE, NON-ORIGINAL MATERIALS, WHICH NOBODY WHO LIVED IN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT IS ABLE TO DO AS A CITIZEN. AND WITH MANY CITIZENS HERE, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH PUTTING IN FINAL WINDOWS OF NON SLATE ROOF AND TO HAVE PAINTED A BRICK BUILDING THAT COLOR GRAY. PLEASE CONSIDER THAT THIS ORGANIZATION MAY WELL DO A GOOD JOB WITH A ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS AREA. THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AND THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN TOO MUCH LEEWAY FOR IT TO BE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT, MALCOLM SNYDER. GOOD DAY. BOARD AND AND, MR. MAYOR, MY NAME IS

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AND I WAS TOLD, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ZONING. YOU HAVE TO GO BY WHAT IT WAS ZONED FOR. I SAID, CAN THIS ARE THERE ANY WAYS TO HAVE THIS AMENDED OR CHANGE IT? NO. YOU GO BY WHAT IT SAYS AND IT SEEMS LIKE NOW WE'RE KIND OF BACKTRACKING ON THAT. I BOUGHT A HOME ON FILLMORE STREET, A HISTORIC HOME, BECAUSE I WAS PRESIDENT OF THE HISTORICAL TRUST WHERE I MOVED HERE FROM. I'M VERY INTERESTED IN HISTORY. AS ONE PERSON MENTIONED, THE THE BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN DONE. ACCORDING TO THE PETERSBURG HISTORICAL GUIDELINES, IT WAS PAINTED A DIFFERENT COLOR, HAS WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT WOOD LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE. I HAD A NOTE POSTED ON MY HOME. HEY, IF YOU DO ANYTHING TO YOUR HOME, YOU HAVE TO GET IT APPROVED. IT HAS TO BE THE COLORS THAT WE APPROVE. SO THAT WAS NOT DONE, BUT I WANT TO GO TO. IT WAS SAID THAT, WELL, THE PLACE THAT WAS HERE BEFORE WAS SOMEONE ELSE. WELL, BUT IT WAS THE SAME TYPE OF FACILITY. AND WE WERE TOLD IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY THAT IS FOCUSED ON THE ELDERLY. BUT IN THIS MAN'S OWN SLIDE HIGHLIGHTED AT THE TOP, HE HAS MENTAL HEALTH. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD. HE IN HIS OWN SLIDE, MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT HIGHLIGHTED AT THE VERY TOP. SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT. AND THAT IS NOT WHAT THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY THAT WE WERE TOLD WAS GOING TO BE. SO WE'RE SEEING A BACKTRACK ALREADY, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING FOR OUR FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BRING DOWN PROPERTY VALUES. WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE OTHER PLACE THAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND WE THINK THAT WILL CONTINUE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NEXT UP, JACK BARTLETT HAD NO COMMENT, MR. MAYOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE I CLOSE, ARE THERE ANY MORE HANDS IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, MISS. MURALS. MICHELLE. MURALS, 131 SOUTH MARKET STREET.

THE BUILDING IN QUESTION WAS ORIGINALLY THE VERY FIRST PETERSBURG HOME FOR LADIES.

THAT LEGACY CARRIES A CERTAIN CACHET, AND IT SETS A STANDARD THAT ALL ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES SHOULD BE HELD TO. IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE WHO HAS MANEUVERED THROUGH SO MANY UNDERHANDED DEALS WILL NOW BEGIN FOLLOWING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. THE CITY OF PETERSBURG HAS HISTORICALLY UPHELD. THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT ONE BUILDING, IT'S ABOUT A SHAM OF A PROCESS THAT PUTS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGAINST CITY COUNCIL, FORCING THEM TO CAPITULATE TO PERSONAL INTERESTS. MANY OF US HAVE ASKED ABOUT THIS PROPERTY FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH. WE WERE REPORTEDLY WE WERE REPEATEDLY TOLD THAT NOTHING WAS HAPPENING, NO PERMITS REQUESTED, NO PLANS SUBMITTED, NO MOVEMENT WITHIN ANY CITY DEPARTMENT. WE DIDN'T JUST ASK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE ASKED THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING MANAGER, MR. CRUZ. OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CHIEF REID, MR. MAX GORMAN. AND THE ANSWER WAS ALWAYS THE SAME, JUST ROUTINE MAINTENANCE. THEN, AT A PUBLIC MEETING IN FEBRUARY OF 2025, IT WAS REVEALED THAT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY HAD ALREADY BEEN SIGNED OFF ON ON DECEMBER 5TH, 2024. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT FOR MONTHS WE WERE TOLD NOTHING IS HAPPENING AND YET APPROVALS WERE QUIETLY PUSHED THROUGH BEHIND CLOSED DOORS? WHY IS IT THAT THOSE OF US WHO LIVE HERE, WORK HERE AND PAY TAXES HERE ARE EXPECTED TO FOLLOW EVERY LAW, RULE AND REGULATION? WHILE OUTSIDE INVESTORS SEEM TO OPERATE ABOVE THEM? THIS DOUBLE STANDARD IS NOT JUST UNFAIR, IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ROUTINELY ENACT ZONING ORDINANCES THAT RESTRICT CERTAIN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS TO SENIORS, OFTEN SETTING MINIMUM AGE LIMITS, SUCH AS 55 AND OLDER, TO MEET THE SPECIALIZED HOUSING NEEDS OF AGING POPULATIONS. IF THE IF THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO MARKET THIS FACILITY AS A PLACE FOR AGING IN PLACE, THEN THEY SHOULD NOT. THEY THEY SHOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION TO REASONABLE AGE RESTRICTIONS, AND IN FACT, THEY SHOULD WELCOME THEM. THIS IS ALREADY THERE IS ALREADY A 55 PLUS APARTMENT COMMUNITY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

THIS WOULD ALIGN PERFECTLY WITH THE CHARACTER AND NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT IS TRULY

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THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE. WHO IS THINKING ABOUT THE ELDERLY AND INFIRM? WHO WILL BE LIVING IN THIS FACILITY? WHAT CONDITIONS WILL THEY FACE IF NO ONE IS MONITORING WHAT GOES ON INSIDE? HOW DOES THE CITY PLAN TO ENSURE THEIR SAFETY? IF IT'S OPENLY STATING THAT INSPECTIONS WON'T HAPPEN? AND AGAIN, HOW IS THAT FAIR? MANY OF US HAVE ELDERLY PARENTS. I ASK YOU, WHO AMONG YOU WOULD WILLINGLY PLACE YOUR LOVED ONES IN A FACILITY THAT'S BEEN GRANTED A FREE PASS FROM OVERSIGHT, WHERE NO ONE WILL BE CHECKING TO ENSURE THEIR SAFETY, DIGNITY OR WELL-BEING? THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A NEW PETERSBURG. WE WILL NOT ALLOW OUT OF TOWN INVESTORS TO TREAT OUR CITY LIKE A PLAYGROUND FOR PRIVILEGE AND DISREGARD OUR LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS. THAT WAS THE OLD PETERSBURG OF THOSE OF US WHO LIVE AND WORK HERE WHO MUST FOLLOW THE RULES, THEN SO MUST EVERYONE ELSE. THIS IS ABOUT MORE THAN ONE BUILDING. IT IS ABOUT FAIRNESS, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY. THANK YOU SIR. YES, YES. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DOCTOR PAM STRUSS AND I LIVE AT 1571 MOUNT VERNON. I'M ALSO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE GREATER RICHMOND COMMUNITY MEDIATION CENTER. CONFLICTS SUCH AS WHAT YOU ARE FACING TONIGHT ARE VERY COMMON IN CITIES. OFTEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH COMPETING INTERESTS IN THAT KIND OF THING. SO ON ONE HAND, WE HAVE CITIZENS THAT ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY, THEIR PROPERTY VALUES AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND ON THE OTHER HAND, WE HAVE A BUSINESS WHO WANTS TO PROVIDE SERVICES FOR THE SENIORS, WHICH GENERALLY WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE IS THE COMPONENT OF THE MENTAL HEALTH.

SOMETIMES THEY ARE VERY ABUSIVE. THEY CAN BE VIOLENT. THAT IS AN OPEN CAMPUS. THERE'S NO WAY TO KEEP THEM ON THE CAMPUS, AND THEY CAN BE A MENACE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. SO MY CONCERN IS ONE, WHY HAVE THESE GROUPS NOT GOTTEN TOGETHER AND HAD A DISCUSSION AND TRIED TO COME UP WITH A WIN WIN SOLUTION, AND IS IT TOO LATE TO TO DO THAT NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS SOME OF WHAT THEY WANT AND THAT THEY ARE PROTECTED? CERTAINLY THE PROMISE OF NO OVERSIGHT IS PRETTY SCARY, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU TAKE THE VOTE, YOU WILL CONSIDER ALL PERSPECTIVES AND VOTE FOR THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE HERE NOW. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS DALE MULLEN. DALLY M U L L E N I'M LEGAL COUNSEL FOR RAVENSCROFT VENTURES HISTORIC POPLAR LAWN ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS A GROUP OF VARIOUS CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO 36 WEST FILLMORE STREET. I'M ALSO A VETERAN OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND LAND USE ISSUES IN VIRGINIA. FROM THE TIME I WAS ASKED TO SAY THAT THEY OPPOSE THIS PROJECT, THEY OPPOSE IT AS INCONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, INCONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE DISTRICT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT AN SUV CANNOT BE CRAFTED SUCH THAT IT IS IN KEEPING WITH HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE CONCERNS. I WAS ALSO ASKED TO SAY THAT MANY OF THE SPEAKERS ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. THE MATERIALS BEFORE YOU AND THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT REPEATEDLY DESCRIBE THE PROPOSED FACILITY AT 36 WEST FILLMORE STREET AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS TO AGE IN PLACE. THAT'S A NOBLE GOAL TO AVOID PREMATURE NURSING HOME PLACEMENT. ALSO, A LAUDABLE GOAL, AND TO CONTINUE A HISTORIC USE THAT ONCE OPERATED AS THE PETERSBURG HOME FOR LADIES AND LATER AS A NURSING HOME RUN BY LOCAL DOCTORS. WHILE IT WAS THE TYPE THAT IS A TYPE OF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, I DON'T KNOW MUCH FOR SURE, BUT I DO KNOW THIS. AND IT WAS EVEN IN THE PRESENTATION. THIS IS NOT A

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DSS HAS MADE IT PLAIN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES ARE NOT NURSING HOMES. UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, NURSING HOME IS DEFINED AS A FACILITY WHOSE PRIMARY FUNCTION IS THE CONTINUOUS PROVISION OF NURSING AND HEALTH RELATED SERVICES. APPLY FOR A NURSING HOME. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ROUND THE CLOCK NURSING CARE AND RUN A NURSING HOME, MAKE THAT APPLICATION, PUT IT IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND GET A LICENSE TO DO THAT THING. THE SOUP THAT IS CURRENTLY BEFORE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE PROMISES MADE. THERE IS NO VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH LICENSING MANDATE. THERE'S NO MANDATE FOR SKILLED NURSING STAFF. THERE'S NO OPERATING CONDITION THAT WOULD APPLY TO A NURSING HOME. IN SHORT, WHILE THE NARRATIVE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC EVOKES A TRADITIONAL NURSING CARE SETTING FOR OUR ELDERS, A NOBLE GOAL THE LEGAL INSTRUMENT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE GOVERNS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KIND OF CARE UNLESS AND UNTIL THE APPLICATION AND ITS CONDITIONS ARE AMENDED TO MATCH THE DEPICTION THAT HAS BEEN ADVANCED BY THE APPLICANT. THE SOUP IS DUE TO BE DENIED.

ANYTHING LESS MISLEADS THE PUBLIC, DETRACTS FROM THE STATED GOAL OF PROVIDING FOR THE SENIOR CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND LEAVES THE CITY OF PETERSBURG WITHOUT ENFORCEABLE SAFEGUARDS FOR ITS CITIZENS THAT ARE EQUAL TO THE USE THE APPLICANT PROMOTES.

THIS IS NOT A PLAN FOR A NURSING HOME. THESE ARE NOT CONDITIONS FOR THE AGED AND INFIRMED. THIS IS A PLAN FOR ANY POSSIBLE USE THAT COULD QUALIFY, BROADLY PUT, AS ASSISTED LIVING AND IN THE WORDS OF YOUR OWN CITY CODE, WHETHER LICENSED OR NOT, IT IS NOT A DIFFICULT THING TO CRAFT SPECIAL USE PERMIT CONDITIONS THAT ADDRESS EXACTLY WHAT THE SPEAKERS HERE TONIGHT HAVE ASKED FOR AND WHAT EVERYONE WANTS, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT FOR THE AGED AND

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MY NAME IS CONWAY BOYCE, AND I'M A RESIDENT AT 215 SOUTH JEFFERSON STREET, PETERSBURG. I THINK IT'S RATHER UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE AT A CROSSROADS WHERE YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZATION THAT APPEARS THAT THEY WANT TO PROVIDE A QUALITY SERVICE FOR SENIORS. WELL, YES, FOR SENIORS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A GROUP OF RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN PETERSBURG. THAT IS IT'S EVIDENT THAT THEY HAVE NOT REALLY BEEN INVOLVED AS STAKEHOLDERS IN WHAT THE PLAN WOULD REFLECT. IT'S CLEAR IT WAS STATED EARLIER THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF PETERSBURG, A LOT OF INVESTMENT WAS MADE IN THAT PLAN. A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS WERE PRESENT TO CREATE IT. HOWEVER, THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY REFERENCE TOWARDS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REALLY MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. SO I WOULD SUGGEST, BECAUSE I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WAS STATED EARLIER, THAT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS CITY COUNCIL IS TO REALLY APPROVE THAT PLAN IN REGARDS TO WHAT SHOULD COME OUT OF IT. SO HERE YOU HAVE A DILEMMA, A DILEMMA OF GOOD INTENTIONS BY THE ORGANIZATION TO CREATE THIS PROGRAM. THIS PROJECT, HOWEVER, YOU HAVE STAKEHOLDERS THAT DON'T FEEL AS THOUGH THEIR INTERESTS ARE BEING REPRESENTED. I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THE COUNCIL GO BACK, CONSIDER. THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS. FOR MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS FOR THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, AND TO NOT TAKE IT LIGHTLY THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS SHOULD HAVE A VOICE AND A MEANS OF BEING ABLE TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS ARE BEING MET. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. PRITCHETT. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER AND THE ONE BEFORE HIM REALLY KIND OF PUT IT ALL IN A NUTSHELL. OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED THIS TYPE OF FACILITY. WE NEED IT FOR OUR ELDERLY CITIZENS.

AND I BE ONE OF THEM. SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON DOING IT RIGHT. AND I THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN SOME GREAT INFORMATION FROM LOTS OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT. AND INSTEAD OF REPEATING A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, I JUST WOULD THINK THAT, NUMBER ONE, WE NEED IT. NUMBER TWO, WE NEED TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.

AND NUMBER THREE, SEND IT BACK TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL AND GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS LAWRENCE ELLIS WILLIAMS. I AM THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT AND VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE THE HISTORY AND THE TIMELINE. I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT MR. PARSONS AND HIS EFFORT TO RENOVATE THIS BUILDING DID IT IN A TIMELY MANNER. WE HAD TO WORK UNDER THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE, AND THAT IMPLIES MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF EXISTING CONDITIONS. AND SO WE DID THAT. THE SECOND ISSUE THAT THAT COMES UP CONSTANTLY IS THE TIME FRAME THAT WE TOOK TO DO THE BUILDING.

THE PARSONS WORKED ON THIS BUILDING WITH VERY GOOD SUBCONTRACTORS AND DID IT IN A TIMELY MANNER. ALSO, THERE'S A TIMELINE OF TWO YEARS TO GET IT DONE. HE MET THAT. IN FACT, HE

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THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAME IN AND DESTROYED SOME OF THE BUILDING. AND THEY HAD HE HAD TO REDO THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, FOR EXAMPLE. SO SOME OF THESE DELAYS WERE PART OF A NATURAL PROCESS. BUT SOME OF THESE DELAYS WERE RELATED TO THE CITY OF PETERSBURG STRETCHING IT OUT AS WELL. SO WE CAN'T PUT ALL OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON THE, ON THE, ON MY CLIENT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. THE OTHER ISSUE IS I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH THE USO, WE CALL IT THE COLORED TROOPS USO FACILITY BANQUET FACILITY ABOUT TWO, TWO BLOCKS AWAY. AND I ENJOYED WORKING WITH THE STAFF AND THE CITY IN GETTING THAT PARTICULAR THING DONE. I EMPHASIZE THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE SO-CALLED HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ALL RECOGNIZE NOW THAT THEY SHOULD BE A DIVERSIFIED NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT HAS ALL TYPES OF ETHNIC GROUPS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING THAT WE SEEM NOT TO BE RESPECTING IN THIS APPLICATION. I'M AN ARCHITECT AND I BELIEVE IN DIVERSIFIED NEIGHBORHOODS WITH ALL TYPES OF ETHNIC GROUPS IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL TYPE OF RELATED FACILITIES, AND ALSO THE PARCELS THAT ARE AROUND THIS BUILDING ARE PRIMARILY VACANT, WITH 1 OR 2 HISTORIC HOUSES IN THAT AREA. NOW, THESE PEOPLE BOUGHT THOSE HOUSES WELL AWARE THAT WHAT WAS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND AND WHEN YOU HAVE WHAT I CALL PARCELS, THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NURSING HOME. SO I THINK THE NURSING HOME IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING IN OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE WERE A GOOD, A GOOD PLANNING FIT FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA. SO I EMPHASIZE AGAIN THAT THIS IS NOT A DEEP, HISTORIC, SPECIFIC LOCATION WITH SEVERAL HISTORIC HOUSES ADJACENT TO IT. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MIXED USE, AND THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS WANT TO DO, PUT MIXED USE AROUND IT. SO THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. AND I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO RECOGNIZE WE NEED TO MOVE THIS ALONG. MR. PARSONS HAS PUT $1.8 MILLION IN THAT BUILDING. AND WE JUST DON'T STOP A PERSON WHEN THEY'VE GONE THAT FAR UNDER THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE AND WORKING IN GOOD FAITH AND IN A TIMELY MANNER WITH THE CITY, WITH THE CITY STAFF. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK. YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, CITY PLANNING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS RICHARD MURPHY. I LIVE AT 221 SOUTH JEFFERSON STREET. SO THAT'S JUST A FEW BLOCKS FROM THE PLANNED FACILITY. I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE ISSUES OR CONCERNS, I GUESS, THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED EARLIER TODAY. PRIMARILY, IT'S A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, JUST THE WHOLE PROCESS OF OF THE OF THE APPLICATION. THE ZONING APPLICATION PROCESS HAS CHANGED. THE EXEMPTION PROCESS HAS BEEN APPLIED DIFFERENTLY TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THEN THERE'S THIS 11TH HOUR CHANGE FROM WHAT WE HAD INITIALLY BEEN A DRUG REHAB CENTER. NOW IT'S BEING CALLED AN ASSISTED LIVING. AND AS THE ATTORNEY POINTED OUT, IT'S NOT REALLY THAT IT COULD BE ANYTHING. IT COULD STILL BE A DRUG REHAB FACILITY. SO THE CONCERN HERE IS THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. WE KEEP HEARING, OH, WE SPENT 1.8 MILLION. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE. IT WASN'T ZONED FOR THAT. YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS FIRST. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT THE CITIZENS RESPONSIBILITY TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS TO, TO TO ENSURE THEIR INVESTMENT IS SOUND. SO THAT'S, IT'S IT'S IT 1.8 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE INVESTED THAT UNTIL THEY WENT THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS. ANOTHER CONCERN IS WHY IS THE CITY CITY ATTORNEY CHOOSING TO PERFORM LEGAL GYMNASTICS TO IN REHEARSING CITY ZONING ADMINISTRATION TO JUSTIFY TENUOUS LEGAL EXEMPTIONS FOR OUTSIDE INVESTOR DOLLARS? I MEAN, SO THE CONFIDENCE THAT THAT THAT, THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROCESS IS A CONCERN. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I STRONGLY WELL, I RECOMMEND I CONCUR WITH SOME OTHERS WHO HAVE SAID, LET'S GO BACK AND DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY WITH TRANSPARENCY TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY

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LET'S DO THE BEST WE CAN FOR THOSE PEOPLE. AND IGNORE THE NOISE. DON'T ALLOW THE DISTRACTIONS. YES, THESE PEOPLE HAVE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY HAVE IT. AND AND THEY SEE THE GOOD THAT IT CAN, IT CAN BRING TO THIS CITY. THAT'S COMMENDABLE. WHY NOT? WHY NOT HAVE IT HERE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT IT WILL SERVE? SO I SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SIR. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANDY DURNAN. I LIVE AT 14 MARSHALL STREET AND I WASN'T REALLY PLANNING ON SPEAKING THIS EVENING, BUT AFTER LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS I WANT TO. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AS DESCRIBED, A PLACE WHERE SENIORS COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. MY OWN GRANDMOTHER, WE HAD TO FIND HER A PLACE. WE HAD TO SEARCH AROUND. AND I CAN TELL YOU THE LEVELS THE OF GOOD TO BAD. IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE

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IT WAS IT WAS HORRIBLE. AND THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT A LOT OF HOMES RIGHT AROUND THERE, BUT STILL IT'S A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ASSISTED LIVING. BUT LET'S HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO BE. THERE'S A NICE HOME RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THOSE PEOPLE DESERVE TO HAVE SOMETHING NICE ACROSS THE STREET. NOT JUST LIKE, LIKE I SAID, ANOTHER HOMELESS CAMP ACROSS THE STREET. SO LET'S LET'S GET THIS RIGHT BEFORE WE APPROVE IT, PLEASE.

THAT'S WHAT I ASK YOU TO DO. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BOB ROGERS. I LIVE AT 207 MARSHALL STREET IN THE POPLAR LAWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. I OPPOSE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS FACILITY. I THINK A KEY HERE IS THE WORD TRUST. AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE POPLAR LAWN ASSOCIATION AND NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE LOST TRUST, AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANOTHER ASPECT OF TAKING CARE OF THE ELDERLY IN THIS CITY. AND THAT'S GROUP HOMES. THERE ARE AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF LEGAL AND ILLEGAL GROUP HOMES IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, AND WE DON'T TRUST GOING FORWARD WHAT THE CITY IS PLANNING TO DO. I DON'T THINK THIS FACILITY IS RIGHT FOR THE HISTORIC ASPECTS OF POPLAR LAWN, AND I DON'T THINK THE TRACK RECORD OF THE CITY TAKING CARE OF THE FORMER FACILITY, LIKE ANDY SPOKE ABOUT, HAS, HAS MAKES ANYBODY FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN HERE. SO I URGE YOU NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE SPECIAL USE. AND I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR SIX YEARS. MY HOUSE IS FOR SALE BECAUSE OF SHENANIGANS THAT GOES ON HERE. WE ARE LEAVING PETERSBURG. ALL RIGHT. SO OKAY. MR. GOOD EVENING. GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING.

JEWELER 414 HARRISON STREET. SO UNLIKE ANYONE IN THIS ROOM, I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS FACILITY AND LIVED ACROSS THE STREET WHEN FILLMORE PLACE WAS THERE. SOME OF YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT WHEN FILLMORE PLACE WAS WAS ACTIVE, AND I WORKED WITH THE STATE TO GET FILLMORE PLACE CLOSED BECAUSE THE STATE COULD NOT REALLY GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER TO DO IT ENOUGH WITHOUT REPORTS. AND HAVING PEOPLE IN MY BACK PORCH DRUNK, OR DOING COCAINE UNDER MY FRONT PORCH, YOU KNOW, CONSTANTLY. IT WAS HORRIBLE. YESTERDAY THERE WAS A DRUG DEAL HAPPENING ON MY FRONT PORCH AGAIN, DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOUR FACILITY. YOU ALL HAVE PAPERS OF THE WORK AND THE TYPE OF WORK THAT. HAPPENS. IT IS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, OBVIOUSLY, THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT IT IS SUBSTANCE USE THAT IS THE ONLY OPERATIONS THAT THAT YOU DO IN RICHMOND. THERE HAVE BEEN DEATHS THAT HAVE HAPPENED. THEY HAVE ALL THE REPORTS FROM THE STATE TO SEE THE OPERATIONS SUPPORTING ELDERLY PEOPLE. I WOULD BE COMPLETELY HAPPY LIVING ACROSS FROM, BUT NOT WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. AND I SPENT TWO YEARS TO GET THAT PLACE SHUT DOWN AND TO HAVE IT COME IN AGAIN. IN A AREA THAT IS. YES, ARCHITECT.

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THAT IS WHY I CHANGE MY MIND. SO I AM HERE AS A RESIDENT. I HAVE INVESTED OVER $100,000 ON THAT STREET TO BUILD A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU ALL HAVE ASKED ME TO MAKE. THAT I CAN'T SELL. WITH THAT FACILITY ON THE STREET. SO WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME? WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME? I'M A GOOD PERSON. I AM A GOOD PERSON. AND I HAVE HELPED THIS COMMUNITY. I SERVE ON THE EDA, I SERVE ON TWO OTHER NONPROFIT BOARDS HERE TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY. WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WHY? WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE? SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY WORDS AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. AND I'M SORRY FOR THE EMOTIONS, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE HANDS IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING? YES. AT THE BACK. YES.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KAY FREEMAN. MY HUSBAND AND I OWN TWO PROPERTIES IN POPLAR LAWN, TWO TWO, ONE SOUTH SYCAMORE STREET AND 225 SOUTH SYCAMORE STREET. WE'VE OWNED THESE PROPERTIES FOR OVER 32 YEARS, AND ONE THING WITH LONGEVITY, YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING COME AND GO. AND IN THE LAST 5 TO 10 YEARS, I HAVE SEEN A REVITALIZATION IN THE HISTORIC POPLAR LAWN AREA. WE'VE HAD NEW PEOPLE MOVE IN SOME YOUNG PEOPLE, AND AT MY AGE, ANYBODY UNDER 70 IS YOUNG. OKAY, SO I'VE SEEN THAT ENERGY BEING CREATED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, HOUSES BEING RESTORED, SPIFFING UP OF PROPERTIES, A REAL ENERGY GOING ON THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN IN MANY, MANY YEARS. SO IT'S VERY DEFEATING TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AND YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HAS BEEN SPENT ON RESTORING PROPERTIES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, CLEANING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, POLICING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT ADDS UP TO A LOT. IT MAY NOT EQUAL 1.8 MILLION, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW AS A PROPERTY OWNER, WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY DOWN AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.

THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN AVOID SOUTH SYCAMORE STREET. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO THIS FACILITY, YOU'VE GOT TO GO DOWN UNLESS YOU WANT TO DETOUR ALL AROUND THE CITY OF PETERSBURG.

I THINK AS TAXPAYERS, WE HAVE STOOD BEHIND THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE A LOT OF SENIOR CITIZENS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE STOOD AS TAXPAYERS. WE HAVE NOT FULLY FLED THE CITY WHEN IT HAS HAD BAD TIMES. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR THE GOOD AND THE BAD TIMES. I ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT THE CONCERNS OF THE HISTORIC POPLAR LAWN ASSOCIATION. I AM NOT AGAINST. I AM AGAINST THIS FACILITY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO MORE HANDS, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

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EXCUSE ME. AND THANK YOU. YES, MY NAME IS CRYSTAL BROWN, 733 CONFEDERATE AVENUE. BASICALLY, WHAT I'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER THIS EVENING IS THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IS A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. AND THAT THE ZONING WAS NOT CLEARED BEFORE THIS COMPANY INVESTED SO MUCH INTO THE PROPERTY. AND IF THAT IS INDEED TRUE, THAT REALLY DOES LEAVE US AT A CROSSROADS.

AND MOVING FORWARD. I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS AS OUTLINED SO THATL BUSINESSES CAN HAVE TRUST IN THE WAY IN WHICH WE CONDUCT BUSINESS AND THAT NO MATTER WHO IT IS, WHETHER IT'S AN ATHLETE OR THE BILLIONAIRE THAT I WILL BECOME ON WEDNESDAY DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY THAT I LOVE WAS BORN AND I REMAINED HERE. AND IT'S MY HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. BUT DEFINITELY TRANSPARENCY IS NEEDED AND WE NEED TO LEARN TO ADHERE TO WHAT IS IN OUR GUIDELINES TO AVOID MISHAPS AS SUCH. IF THAT IS INDEED THE CASE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. RIGHT, ANY MORE HANDS IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. NEXT, MR. WINSLOW, I'LL LET YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES BROUGHT FORWARD. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I DO WANT TO JUST LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT MR. PARSONS, SEATED NEXT TO ME THIS EVENING, WALKED HAND IN HAND WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY TO RENOVATE THIS BUILDING. HE WAS TOLD EARLY ON BY THE PREVIOUS ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HE HAD A VESTED RIGHT TO USE AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY THERE AND BEGAN INVESTING IN THE FACILITY. THERE WAS A FLOOD AT ONE POINT.

HE HAD KIND OF HAD A COUPLE SETBACKS, BUT LOCK STEP WITH THE CITY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CODE. HE RENOVATED THIS THIS FACILITY FOR THIS USE. SO I DO WANT TO CLEAR THAT. ONE OTHER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN STATED TONIGHT WAS THAT THIS FACILITY WILL NOT BE INSPECTED, AND THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY ASSURANCES THAT THE FACILITY IS GOING TO PROVIDE ALL OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. BUT THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. IT'S ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE CODE OF VIRGINIA WHAT AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IS. AND THERE ARE MANY REGULATIONS ABOUT WHAT A LICENSED FACILITY MUST DO. 663 I WOULD POINT FOLKS TO 63.2 AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON ON STAFFING SECURITY. FACILITY EDUCATION AND TRAINING, UNIFORM ASSESSMENT INSTRUMENTS, ADMISSIONS AND DISCHARGE. THERE'S CODE SECTION AFTER CODE SECTION OF WHAT? OF HOW AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IS REGULATED IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, AND IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO YOU. NUMBER TWO, IT SAYS THE FACILITY SHALL OBTAIN AND MAINTAIN APPROPRIATE LICENSURE THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES TO OPERATE AS AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. SO WE HAVE AGREED TO THAT. WE WE ARE GOING TO AGREE TO THAT LICENSURE, BECAUSE THAT LICENSURE, WE CAN'T DO BUSINESS WITHOUT THE LICENSURE. AND THERE ARE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW TO NOT ONLY OBTAIN THE LICENSE, BUT THEN TO KEEP THE LICENSE OVER TIME, WHICH WE FULLY INTEND TO DO. AND I THINK THAT'S I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CODE OF VIRGINIA AND ADOPT ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT WITH NUMBER TWO. YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN A LICENSE. WE SAID, YES, WE ARE. AND THAT MEANS A, B, C, D IN THE REGULATIONS. SO YOU'VE DONE WHAT COUNSEL SUGGESTS A COUPLE THINGS THAT ALSO NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP. IN ADDITION TO THE $1.8 MILLION INVESTMENT INTO THE BUILDING. MR. WILLIAMS, THE ARCHITECT, HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS EARLY ON WITH STAFF AND HAS PLACED IN FRONT OF THIS

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ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL OR STAFF, SHOULD YOU HAVE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS WINSLOW. NEXT WE'LL START WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. QUESTIONS FIRST. MR. MAYOR.

HOLD ON. MR. MAYOR. GARRETT. HOLD ON. GARRETT. THEY'RE TRYING TO SPEAK THROUGH THE MIC.

THE PLANNERS. YOU'RE SPEAKING TO. OKAY, LET ME TURN IT UP SOME. YES. WE HAVE ONE OF THE COUNCIL. WHO NEEDS TO MAKE A STATEMENT PRIOR TO US HAVING DISCUSSION. OKAY, COUNCILMAN.

COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. KATZENBACH. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. FELLOW COMMISSIONERS I, KIRSTEN KATZENBACH, A DULY APPOINTED PLANNING COMMISSIONER OF THE STATE OF VIRGINIA AND OF THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, HEREBY STATE THE FOLLOWING FOR INCLUSION IN THE RECORD OF THE JOINT PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR 5:00 TODAY, SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025, CONCERNING SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION NUMBER 25. DASH. DASH ZERO THREE, KNOWN AS 36 WEST FILLMORE STREET. NUMBER ONE, I DISCLOSE THAT I OWN REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 301 SOUTH JEFFERSON STREET, AND THAT I AM NOW A MEMBER AND SUPPORTER OF THE EFFORTS OF THE HISTORIC POPLAR LAWN ASSOCIATION. NUMBER TWO, THE MATTER BEFORE THE COMMISSION INVOLVES LAND USE ACTION THAT MAY AFFECT REAL PROPERTY GENERALLY, INCLUDING MY PROPERTY. HOWEVER, MY INTEREST IS SHARED WITH AT LEAST THREE OTHER PERSONS WHO ARE SIMILARLY SITUATED, AND MY PERSONAL INTEREST IS THE SAME OF THAT OF OTHER MEMBERS OF THE AFFECTED GROUP. NUMBER THREE, BECAUSE OF MY INTEREST, BECAUSE MY INTEREST IS NOT UNIQUE AND BECAUSE I WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE FAIRLY, OBJECTIVELY AND IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, I BELIEVE THAT I AM PERMITTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT UNDER THE VIRGINIA STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ACT NUMBER FOUR, I HEREBY DECLARE THIS DISCLOSURE ON THIS SECOND DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2025 AND REQUESTED IT BE ENTERED INTO THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING AND FILED WITH THE CLERK. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MR. WILLIAMS? YES. ARE YOU ASKING ME TO TO RESPOND TO THAT REPRESENTATION? SO THERE IS AN EXCLUSION UNDER 2.231 12 OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA, WHICH ROUGHLY MIRRORS WHAT MISS KATZENBACH IS REFERRING TO. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOTE THAT MISS KATZENBACH IS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AS A PETITIONER IN THE LAWSUIT THAT THIS CASE IS BASED ON. SHE'S A NAMED PARTICIPANT IN THAT LAWSUIT.

SHE ACTUALLY PROFFERED TESTIMONY TO THE BZA INDICATING THAT SHE HER PROPERTY IS UNIQUELY, UNIQUELY IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IN MY OPINION, COULD CAUSE HER

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IT ALSO PROVIDES THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN TRANSACTIONS WHICH CREATE A CONFLICT BETWEEN THEIR PRIVATE INTERESTS, OR MAY IMPAIR THEIR INDEPENDENCE OF JUDGMENT IN THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THEIR OFFICIAL DUTIES AS A PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A LAWSUIT.

WITH RESPECT TO THIS ISSUE, I WOULD PREFER THAT IF MISS KATZENBACH CHOOSES TO PARTICIPATE, SHE WOULD BE VIOLATING THIS PROVISION OF THE CODE OF ETHICS. I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO COMMENT ON VIRGINIA CODE 2.23115, WHICH DOES ALLOW ME TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS, AND I ENCOURAGE THE ATTORNEY TO LOOK FURTHER INTO THAT STATUTE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, ANY. QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I ALSO WANTED TO ASK THE ATTORNEY, MULLEN, FOR HIS OPINION ON THAT, TO EXPAND UPON WHAT ATTORNEY WILLIAMS HAS SAID. IS HE, MR. MAYOR? YES. MR. WILLIAMS, IS HE HE'S NOT THE CITY'S ATTORNEY. I MEAN, HE HE DOESN'T GOVERN. HE DOESN'T HE DOESN'T SUPERSEDE OUR ATTORNEY. SO I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT I'M NOT DEBATING WITH YOU, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE TAKE ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO DOES THE PLANNER TAKE ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY? SO I AGREE, I DO TAKE ADVICE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY WHEN IT IS NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE VIRGINIA CODE. OKAY, MR. WILLIAMS. AGAIN, I'VE STATED WHAT THE CODE OF ETHICS SAYS AS ADVICE TO COUNSEL UPON YOUR REQUEST. I SEE NO REASON TO ALLOW BACK AND FORTH LEGAL DEBATE IN THE COUNCIL MEETING AS TO THAT EFFECT. IF MISS KATZENBACH CHOOSES TO DISREGARD THAT LEGAL ADVICE, IT'S AT HER OWN POTENTIAL PERIL, IN MY OPINION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN COOPER, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MR. MULLEN HAS TO SAY AT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID WE DON'T WANT TO GET BACK AND FORTH WITH LEGAL BANTER BACK AND FORTH, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, THERE'S A LAWSUIT THAT THAT MR. WILLIAMS SAID IS ON THE TABLE. AND AND AT THIS TIME, IF YOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN LEGAL COUNSEL. THAT WOULD BE FINE. EXCEPT MR. WILLIAMS HAS ALREADY SAID HIS PIECE AND IT'S UNANSWERED BY LEGAL COUNSEL. I THINK MR. WILLIAMS HAS OPENED THE DOOR AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MR. MULLEN HAS TO SAY IN RESPONSE. I DON'T SEE THAT'S THE WAY. LAWYERS AND THE AND AND FACT FINDERS RESOLVE THINGS IS TO HEAR BOTH SIDES. SO ALL RIGHT, I WILL LOOK AT THIS TIME.

I WILL JUST I GET FROM THE TEMPERATURE OF COUNSEL IF IF COUNSEL WANTS TO HEAR FROM MR. MULLEN ON ON THIS ISSUE COUNCILMAN JONES JUST BY A QUICK YES OR NO. IS DEEPER THAN JUST A YES OR NO. MR. MAYOR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU WANT TO LET HIM THIS THIS IS A COUNCIL MEETING, NOT A COURTROOM. RIGHT. AND THIS NEED TO TAKE WE THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HERE TILL 11:00 TONIGHT. SO Y'ALL TAKE THAT UP IN THE COURTROOM RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THIS COUNCIL MEETING. THAT'S MY ANSWER, MR. MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. I DO NOT INTEND TO GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT THERE'S AN INTERESTING LEGAL AND ETHICAL SITUATION THAT YOU'VE PUT MISS KATZENBACH, IN ORDER AS A POINT OF ORDER.

AS A POINT OF ORDER, WE HAVE STATED HERE FROM COUNCILMAN JONES HE WANTS THE MEETING TO TO CONTINUE GOING. IS THAT THE WILL OF COUNCIL AS WELL? YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MULLEN. WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU IF WE NEED TO. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS TIME? I KNOW, COUNCILMAN COOPER. YOU HAVE A DISCLOSURE, TOO. YOU WANT TO MAKE AT THIS TIME. YES. THANK YOU. I WANT TO READ THIS INTO THE RECORD. IT'S SIMILAR

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CUTHBERT JR, DULY ELECTED MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PETERSBURG, HEREBY STATE THE FOLLOWING FOR INCLUSION IN THE RECORD OF THE JOINT PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR 5 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025, CONCERNING SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION 25 DASH SOUP DASH OH THREE DEALING WITH 36 WEST FILLMORE STREET, PETERSBURG, VIRGINIA ONE. I DISCLOSE THAT MY HOME WHERE I LIVE IS LOCATED AT 405 SOUTH SYCAMORE STREET, PETERSBURG, VIRGINIA. THAT'S ABOUT A HALF A BLOCK FROM THIS PROPOSED FACILITY AND THAT I AM NOW, OR HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST, A MEMBER AND SUPPORTER OF THE HISTORIC POPLAR LAW ASSOCIATION. TWO THE APPLICATION FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT INVOLVES LAND USE ACTION THAT MAY AFFECT REAL PROPERTY GENERALLY, INCLUDING MY HOME. HOWEVER, MY INTEREST IS SHARED BY AT LEAST THREE OTHER PERSONS WHO ARE SIMILARLY SITUATED, AND MY PERSONAL INTEREST IS THE SAME AS THAT OF OTHER MEMBERS OF THE AFFECTED GROUP. THREE BECAUSE MY INTEREST IS NOT UNIQUE AND BECAUSE I WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE FAIRLY, OBJECTIVELY AND IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST, I AM PERMITTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT UNDER THE VIRGINIA STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. CONFLICT OF INTERESTS ACT, I HEREBY MAKE THIS DISCLOSURE ON THIS SECOND DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2025 AND REQUEST THAT IT BE ENTERED IN THE MINUTES OF THIS COUNCIL MEETING AND FILED WITH THE CLERK OF COUNCIL. I WOULD ADD.

I ALSO SERVE AS THE REGISTERED AGENT ON A PRO BONO BASIS. I'VE NEVER CHARGED A PENNY FOR IT.

SOMEBODY'S GOT TO RECEIVE THE ANNUAL REPORT OF THE HISTORIC POPLAR LAW ASSOCIATION AND FORWARD IT ON TO THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION, AND I DO THAT AS WELL. BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T CONSIDER THAT TO BE ANYTHING OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

AND AT THIS TIME, MR. WILLIAMS, I KNOW MR. WINSLOW HAD HAD COMMENTED ABOUT SOME CONFLICT OF COUNCILMAN CUTHBERT'S ON THIS. I DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE HE HAS A CONFLICT. I THINK HE'S DISCLOSED ALL OF HIS POTENTIAL ISSUES. I WOULD NOTE THAT THE SCC RECORDS REFLECT THAT HE'S BEEN THE REGISTERED AGENT FOR AT LEAST 25 YEARS FOR THAT ORGANIZATION, I BELIEVE.

ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION? IF NOT, I'LL GO TO QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I'LL GO TO VICE MAYOR HILL.

WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T REACH FAST ENOUGH FOR THE BUTTON. MR. MAYOR, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. JARED CRUZ. YEAH. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WENT TO VICE MAYOR. HE ASKED ME FIRST. HOLD ON, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOUR QUESTIONS. VICE MAYOR, YOU WANT TO GO ON? YES. GOT A COUPLE. HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO YOU SAID HOW MANY? HOW MANY ASSISTED LIVING PLACES DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG? AND HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS, HOW MANY RESIDENTS ARE IN THOSE ASSISTED LIVING PLACES? DO YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER? I DON'T I'M SORRY. I THINK ACCORDING TO THE APPLICATION, THERE WERE SOMETHING LIKE SIX AND THE KIND OF THE VICINITY VICINITY. SO SO WE HAVE WE KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST SIX AND THAT'S NOT BARRING ANY. WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE HOMES THAT WE CALL THEM? ANY GROUP HOMES. THAT'S NOT. NO, NO. IT'S A DISTINCT USE FROM GROUP HOMES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HOW MANY MALES WILL BE THERE. HOW MANY FEMALES WILL BE THERE. DO WE KNOW I DON'T KNOW THAT MAY BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. REPRESENTATIVE. DO YOU ALL KNOW AT THIS TIME? PLEASE REPEAT THE QUESTION. HOW MANY MALES AND HOW MANY FEMALES WILL BE IN THE FACILITY? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DEFINED THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE A MIXED COMMUNITY, AND WHEN PEOPLE APPLY, WE WILL GO TO DETERMINATION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SET THAT UP FRONT, BUT WE'RE NOT. WE'RE ALSO NOT DISCRIMINATING EITHER WAY. IT'S GOING TO BE A MIXED COMMUNITY.

OKAY. ALSO, WHERE WOULD THEY BE COMING FROM? WE WILL BE ADVERTISING OUR SERVICES IN ORDINARY COURSE OF BUSINESSES. AND SO OUR ATTEMPT IS TO REACH OUT INTO THE CITY POPULATION FIRST AND THEN INTO THE GREATER VICINITY TO ATTRACT SO, SO, SO THEY COULD BE RESIDENTS OF PETERSBURG OR THE TRI CITY OR THE STATE, OR PEOPLE WHO NEED THEIR MOM OR DAD TO STAY IN A

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I'M NOT SURE I CAN SPEAK TO GIVING A NEED IN THIS PERSPECTIVE OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, WE DO KNOW THAT WE ENCOUNTER DISABLED AND SENIOR CITIZENS THAT ARE IN NEED OF HOUSING. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. TO THE PLANNER OR EVEN TO MR. ARTMAN. EITHER ONE. IS THIS THE BEST USE FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? AND IT'S ALREADY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ANOTHER SOMEWHAT I KNOW SENIOR COMPLEX, BUT I KNOW THEY DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT IS THIS THE BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY? I THINK IF IN TERMS OF MAKING USE OF THE EXISTING FACILITY ON THAT SITE, THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY WITH THE FOCUS ON SENIOR RESIDENTS WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE MORE APPROPRIATE USES JUST BECAUSE IT'S. BUT YOU HAVE ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET BROUGHT UP THE ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC AND THINGS. IT'S A PRETTY LOW IMPACT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC GENERATION, NOISE AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT HAVE DIRECT IMPACTS ON. BUT IF YOU HAVE A SENIOR COMPLEX RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT, IS IT THE BEST USE FOR IT? I'M JUST ASKING, DO YOU KNOW OR COULD YOU SAY, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. OBJECTIVELY, I THINK I MEAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I MEAN, THERE IS STILL A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SENIOR HOUSING. I DON'T KNOW OF NECESSARILY OF NEGATIVE IMPACTS FROM, YOU KNOW, THE PROXIMITY OF ONE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY VERSUS THE OTHER. I THINK THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THE ASSISTED LIVING COMPONENT IS KIND OF A STEP BETWEEN, I WOULD SAY, AGE RESTRICTED APARTMENTS AND A FULL BLOWN NURSING HOME.

THAT'S FAIR. OKAY. ALSO, HOW WOULD THE RESIDENTS BE SUPERVISED FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, HOW I MAY LET THE APPLICANT KNOW IT'S PRETTY SPECIFIC. WITH THE LICENSURE IT IS, AND THE STAFFING REQUIREMENTS ARE SPELLED OUT IN THAT CODE SECTION. I SPELLED OUT EARLIER. THAT IS A LICENSURE REQUIREMENT. WE HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN STAFFING. WE WILL HAVE BOTH SKILLED SKILLED NURSING. SO RN'S AND LPNS BOTH ON STAFF 24 HOURS. AND SO IT WILL BE PROPERLY STAFFED AND PROPERLY SUPERVISED THE ENTIRE TIME. AND I BELIEVE THAT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS UNDER FALLS UNDERNEATH ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WE'VE AGREED TO.

OKAY. MY ONLY WAY I'M GOING TO SAY MY ONLY CONCERN, BUT ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M TRYING NOT TO THINK ABOUT THE OTHER FACILITIES, SO I'M NOT MAKING MY JUDGMENT BASED ON THAT FACILITY. THANK YOU. BUT I'M MAKING MY JUDGMENT BASED ON WHAT I SEE. WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW FACES IN OUR CITY. THE PETERSBURG HAS BEEN A DUMPING GROUND FOR YEARS, WHERE PEOPLE WILL GIVE THEM ONE WAY. OTHER RESIDENTS, OTHER COMMUNITIES WILL GIVE THEM ONE WAY TICKETS HERE AND JUST JUST DROP THEM OFF AND WHAT HAVE YOU. IF YOU GO TO MANY RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF PETERSBURG AND ASK THEM WHERE THEY'RE FROM, A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE NOT FROM PETERSBURG. AND I'M NOT SAYING WE EXCLUDE ANYBODY FROM PETERSBURG, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING IN THESE SEATS ARE NOT FROM PETERSBURG. THEY MADE A HOME HERE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT I SEE A LOT OF TIME IN MY IN MY DAILY WALK AND IN MY BUSINESS WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, CARRYING BAGS, SITTING AT THE BUS STATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHY THAT SUPERVISION PIECE IS SO IMPORTANT FOR ME, BECAUSE IN A LOT OF THE HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY, YOU KNOW, TELL THEM THEY GOT TO GET OUT AND THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY CAN COME BACK AFTER A CERTAIN TIME AND THEY JUST WALK THE STREETS ALL DAY. AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS ONE OF THE OLD FACILITIES, BUT I MEAN, I JUST NEED TO KNOW THE ACTUAL SUPERVISION OF THE INDIVIDUALS.

I MEAN, I KNOW YOU CAN'T KEEP THEM HELD CAPTIVE THERE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, DO ALL OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING YOUR NAILS DONE, YOUR HAIR DONE, ALL THAT'S FINE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE JUST WALKING THE STREETS, STREETS AIMLESSLY, YOU KNOW,

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BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, RIGHT NOW I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE. AND THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION. IS IT A NURSING HOME? IS IT A MENTAL ILLNESS FACILITY OR IS IT A SENIOR CITIZEN COMPLEX, OR IS IT ALL THREE? IT'S IT'S JUST AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. IT'S NOT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MENTAL. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. NOTHING TO DO WITH MENTAL ILLNESS. WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR PATIENTS AS AND OUR RESIDENTS AS. AS WE FIND THEM.

SO YOU USE THE WORD PATIENTS, THEN YOU USE THE WORD RESIDENTS. IT'S. WHICH ONE IS IT? IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S BOTH. AND SO WHEN SOMEONE COMES COMING UP, LET HIM COME UP, PLEASE. SURE, SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SIR. MR. WINSLOW IS AN ATTORNEY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WE HAVE VERY RIGOROUS RULES ABOUT OUR CARE. OKAY. SAY THAT AGAIN. SPEAK UP. COME ON.

WE HAVE WE HAVE OUR OUR FACILITY RULES. WE HAVE RIGOROUS RULES AS TO WHAT WE AND HOW WE PROVIDE IT. OKAY. SO UNDERSTANDING THAT MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE SAFE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY ACCEPTS US. WE WANT TO ACCEPT THE COMMUNITY AND BE A GOOD CITIZEN. WE UNDERSTAND CAPACITY WITH TAKING ON AN ENDEAVOR LIKE THIS. IT'S A TALL ORDER, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE ARE TAKEN CARE OF. THEY WE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST WANDERING DOWN THE STREETS AND STUFF, BUT THEY HAVE RIGHTS. BUT THE MAIN THING IS THAT. THE WE UNDERSTAND, WE. I'M SORRY, I'M JUST A LITTLE NERVOUS. OKAY. YOU'RE FINE. IF THEY DO NOT FOLLOW OUR RULES, WE UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO STAY. OKAY? WE UNDERSTAND THAT, OKAY? WE. THE RIGOROUS RULES THAT WE HAVE ENSURE THAT THEY'RE ACCOUNTABLE AND THAT WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE NOT JUST TO THE STATE, BUT MYSELF AS WELL. THE $1.8 MILLION. I BELIEVE IN WHAT WE DO. I BELIEVE IN PETERSBURG. IT'S JUST NOT AN INVESTMENT. THIS IS SOMETHING I DEDICATED MY LIFE TO DO AND I WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB. I DON'T DO THIS TO BE A STAIN ON THIS COMMUNITY. YEAH, OKAY, I'LL BE THERE. OKAY. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY RELATIONS DIRECTOR.

IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH THE COMMUNITY, THERE'S A HOTLINE RIGHT TO OUR FACILITY AND STAFF, OUR MANAGEMENT. MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE. WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF HOPEFULLY PARTNERING WITH THE HISTORIC POPLAR LAWN ASSOCIATION, BECAUSE IT MAKES FOR A GOOD CITIZEN AND MAKES FOR A BETTER COMMUNICATION. I WOULD LOVE TO DO THOSE THINGS. WE WANT TO DO THOSE THINGS. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WOULD BE LESS CONTENTION AND MORE PARTNERSHIP.

OKAY, SO I KNOW, I KNOW THE 1.8 MILLION AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SAID THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO BE DOING INSPECTIONS AND ALL THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. BUT ANYWAYS, WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND THE RULE MANY TIMES WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY. WE'VE HAD IT BEFORE AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST CASE AND I'M JUST TRYING TO EDUCATE. THEN I'LL BE DONE. MR. MAYOR, AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE. AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU DID THIS. WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL GET A PROPERTY, GET AN IDEA. THEY INVEST A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY IN IT. THEY DIDN'T COME BACK TO US AND SAY, HEY, I PUT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IN HERE AND NOW, OKAY, WE GOT TO GIVE IT TO YOU OR WHAT HAVE YOU. WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN SO MANY TIMES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE WENT OUT AND THEY SPENT THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY, AND THEN WHETHER IT'S IT WAS ZONED FOR IT OR NOT, THEY'VE DONE THAT. THEY COME UP WITH AN IDEA AND THIS WOULD BE GREAT RIGHT HERE. AND IT'S THEIR PASSION. YOU KNOW, THE LORD TOLD ME TO PUT IT HERE, THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER AND AND HERE I AM, AND I SPENT THIS MUCH MONEY. AND THEN WE HAVE TO SAY NO. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THIS ANOTHER. I'VE OFTEN SAID THAT, OF COURSE, THIS IS A NEW PETERSBURG. WE GOT TO THINK DIFFERENTLY. WE DO KNOW WE WE DO HAVE AN AGING POPULATION

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WE WANT TO BE A GOOD CITIZEN IN ORDER TO EVEN MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE PAINT. THE THE PERSON MADE, YOU KNOW, THE PAINT, THE COLOR, ALL THOSE THINGS. WE HAD TO GO THROUGH AN ARCHITECTURAL COMMITTEE AND GET APPROVALS. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT? WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND A LOT OF THINGS WILL BE SAID. THAT'S NOT TRUE. OR EITHER SOMETHING WOULD BE SAID THAT'S NOT QUITE WHAT IT IS. AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT UP HERE, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SAID THAT ABOUT US, JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT INSPECTING AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND CITIZENS.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMAN COVER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. CRUZ, I FOUND WE ALL FOUND ON OUR DESK HERE WHEN WE CAME OUT OF CLOSED SESSION, A THREE PAGE DOCUMENT THAT STARTS OFF OVERVIEW ALL OF ONE SOURCE. COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES OF VIRGINIA INC.

ENTITIES ARE CLASSIFIED AS SUBSTANCE ABUSE. NO OTHER CLASSIFICATION. AND THEN IT GOES ON NONCOMPLIANCE. AND THERE ARE TWO AND A HALF PAGES OF THAT SINGLE SPACED, INCLUDING ON MAY 23RD OF 2023, SEXUAL ASSAULT OCCURRED AND NO CHANGE INTERVENTIONS TOOK PLACE.

NO DOCUMENTATION OF THE PATIENT SUBSTANCE ABUSE HISTORY, NOR WAS THE PATIENT TRANSFERRED. IT GOES ON. THERE'S A DEATH REPORTED ON HERE ON THE LAST PAGE. PATIENT DEATH NOT PROPERLY REPORTED. THEN DECEMBER 8TH OF 2023. HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE RIGHTS ABUSE WERE NOT REPORTED. GOES ON. BOLDED EMPLOYEE ADMINISTERED MEDICATION TO AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS NOT PRESCRIBED THE MEDICATION. ANOTHER ONE NEGLECT FROM STAFF TO ADDRESS PATIENTS HEALTH, WHICH LEADS WHICH LED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND DISABILITY SERVICES TO FIND A SUBSTANTIATED FINDING OF NEGLECT. DO YOU KNOW OF THESE COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED AND AND APPARENTLY DOCUMENTED AGAINST A ONE SOURCE FACILITY IN RICHMOND? IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? I APOLOGIZE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PAPERWORK UNTIL RIGHT NOW. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU. IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A PETERSBURG FACILITY BECAUSE ONE SOURCE WASN'T OPERATING IN PETERSBURG DURING THESE TIME FRAMES. I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO SPEAK ON ANY OTHER ONE SOURCE FACILITIES ELSEWHERE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT, IF HE WOULD, PLEASE. SURE.

YES. YES. EXCUSE ME. LET ME. MY CITY ATTORNEY, MR. WILLIAMS. SO JUST ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE THE MANAGER JUST HANDED YOU A DOCUMENT THAT'S A DOCUMENT THAT WAS PLACED IN FRONT OF ALL OF CITY COUNCIL THAT'S BEEN SINGLE SPACED, TYPED, NO SIGNATURE, NO VALIDATION WHATSOEVER. IT WAS JUST SITTING OUT HERE WHEN EVERYONE CAME OUT. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE UNABLE TO RESPOND TO IT, CORRECT? THAT'S TRUE. I'VE NOT SEEN THE DOCUMENT TO TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT IN DEPTH UNTIL YOU MAY WANT TO HAND IT TO MR. WINSLOW, BECAUSE I'M SURE HE'S NEVER SEEN IT EITHER. YES. THANK YOU. I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT AT THIS TIME WE'RE NOT. WE'RE HERE IN FRONT OF THIS BODY FOR A LOCAL LAND USE DECISION THAT DEALS WITH AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT RELEVANCE THIS THIS HAS. MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE THE COUNCILMAN CAN CAN TELL ME WHAT RELEVANCE IT HAS. I'LL BE DELIGHTED. PLEASE DO. DEEPLY TROUBLING TO ME IF IT'S THE SAME, IF THE SAME PROMOTERS FOR THIS FACILITY AT 36 WEST FILLMORE ARE THE OPERATORS OF A FACILITY ELSEWHERE THAT HAS

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ISN'T THAT TRUE? IT IS. AND THE BUT THERE'S THE CONDITION ADDED. YOU KNOW, THAT YOU FILE THROUGH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ON RECORD THAT YOU'RE IT'S JUST A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN OPERATION OR USE OF THE PROPERTY. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER SPECIAL USE PERMIT EVER ISSUED BY THE CITY OF PETERSBURG THAT ALLOWS THE RECIPIENT OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO TRANSFER THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO A DIFFERENT BODY, SOMEBODY THAT HASN'T EVEN APPEARED BEFORE COUNCIL TONIGHT? I WOULD SAY ALMOST THE IT'S THAT'S MORE COMMON THAN THE ALTERNATIVE. I WOULD SAY THE RARITY WOULD BE A PERMIT THAT SAYS THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS TIED TO A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL, BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS ARE TIED TO THE LAND USE AND TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF. SO YES, I WOULD SAY ALMOST EVERY SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT'S COME BEFORE YOU ALL BY DEFAULT KIND OF HAS THE. THE OPTION THAT THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT WOULD BE TRANSFERRED IF THE PROPERTY WERE TO CHANGE HANDS. MR. VAN VOORHEES, WOULD YOU PLEASE PUT UP A COPY OF 22 VIRGINIA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE 40 DASH 73 DASH TEN, SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT AND COUNCIL CAN SEE IT. AND ALL OF COUNCIL, I BELIEVE, HAS A COPY OF THAT. LET ME JUST READ THAT ALOUD. IT SAYS THIS 22 VIRGINIA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE 40 DASH 73 DASH TEN DEFINES ASSISTED

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IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN SAY, WELL, WHILE THE DEFINITION SAYS YOU CAN HAVE THIS, WE ARE REQUIRING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT YOU ONLY BE ALLOWED THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD LIMIT CITY COUNCIL, COULD LIMIT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO CARING FOR THE ELDERLY ONLY AND NOT FOR THE DISABLED. IS THAT CORRECT? YOU COULD AND THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THEN THE RISK THAT WE'RE GOING TO FILL IT UP WITH 60 PEOPLE WHO ARE ABUSIVE, AGGRESSIVE AND DISRUPTIVE, WOULDN'T IT? AGAIN, COUNCIL CAN PLACE LIMITATIONS BEYOND WHAT HOW BROAD THAT ADMINISTRATIVE CODE DEFINITION IS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THOSE THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. I AM DEEPLY TROUBLED BY THIS ABUSIVE, AGGRESSIVE AND DISRUPTIVE COMPONENT WHICH SEEMS TO TRAIL ALONG BEHIND THE DISABLED. AND I'M THINKING THAT WE REALLY OUGHT TO. WELL, I GUESS WE GOT TO GET A VOTE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE THING TO DO IS TO TO REFER THIS BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T KEEP IT, DOESN'T TABLE IT ITSELF TO GET SOME ANSWERS. AND THE ANSWERS THAT WE NEED. I THINK WE NEED AND THE QUESTIONS I THINK WE NEED ANSWERED ARE TWO OF THEM TO OBTAIN FROM THE APPLICANT COMPLETE DOCUMENTATION REGARDING ANY COMPLIANCE ENFORCEMENT PROBLEMS. FOR EXAMPLE, THIS THREE PAGE INDICTMENT THAT WE'VE BEEN HANDED, BUT APPARENTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICANT. BUT THAT'S NOT CLEAR. SO ONE REASON TO DEFER IT OR LEAVE IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR FURTHER WORK UP IS TO INVESTIGATE THIS. THESE ISSUES OF COMPLIANCE AT OTHER AFFILIATED FACILITIES RUN BY MR. PARSONS. AND THE SECOND IS TO DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF APARTMENT UNITS ALREADY EXISTING IN PETERSBURG, RESTRICTED TO USE BY THE ELDERLY. BECAUSE I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS THAT WERE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER TONIGHT, ONE WAS SIX AND ONE WAS 16. WE REALLY CAN'T

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SO I'M GOING TO ASK MR. PARSON TO COME UP AND HELP ME ANSWER THAT, BECAUSE HE HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE ON SITE. OKAY. AND ALSO, COULD YOU PUT THAT PHOTO BACK UP OF THE ONE OF THE ROOMS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT A NURSING HOME. OKAY. WE DO HAVE A NURSE PRACTITIONER AND SEVERAL NURSES ON STAFF. SO WE'RE NOT A HOSPITAL AND WE'RE NOT A CLINIC. SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT NEED URGENT CARE WILL GO TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM OR TO THEIR PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT MY QUESTION WAS, YOU SAID YOU WERE TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF VISITS. HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT IN TRIAGE? WHAT EQUIPMENT DO YOU. SO IT'S MORE ABOUT THE NURSES IDENTIFYING ISSUES THAT ARE THAT ARE POTENTIAL AND ARISING, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD GO TO YOUR OWN PCP ANNUALLY? WELL, HAVING A NURSE THERE ON SITE, THEY WILL BE MORE INFORMED ON WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL. AND THAT COULD BE TAKING VITALS DAILY OR JUST ALREADY KNOWING HAVING INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THIS PERSON DEALS WITH SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET THEM THE PROPER CARE AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT THINGS ARE GOING WELL WITH THEM HEALTH HEALTH WISE. SO IT'S IT IS NURSE STAFF. SEEING THEM AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE NECESSARY NEEDS. WE CAN MEET THEIR NEED. SO YOU WON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE EQUIPMENTS LIKE ULTRASOUNDS, EKG. WE DON'T HAVE AN ULTRASOUND. WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE EKG, WE DO HAVE EKG. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS. I'M NOT A NURSE. SURE. MY QUESTION WAS AS FAR AS TRIAGE. WHEN YOU'RE DOING TRIAGE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN EQUIPMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS RESIDENT NEEDS TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. I MEAN, VITAL SIGNS THOSE THINGS CAN HELP.

BUT THOSE OTHER TRIAGE ITEMS, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING. SO WE HAVE MEDICAL SUPPLIES. BUT WHEN YOU ASK ABOUT TRIAGE IN THE TRIAGE IS HOW YOU DETERMINE IF THEY NEED TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. RIGHT. I LET THE NURSES AND THE MEDICAL TEAM. IS THERE SOMEONE THAT CAN SPEAK TO THAT THAT'S HERE? NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF OUR NURSES HERE TODAY. SO NURSE PRACTITIONER, WE HAVE A NURSE PRACTITIONER. SHE'S JUST NOT HERE TODAY. AND WE HAVE OTHER NURSES AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. THANK YOU. BUT THEY THEY HAVE LICENSES TO PERFORM AND PRACTICE. OKAY. AND THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE THE ROOMS, IF I, IF YOU COULD PUT THE PICTURE BACK UP THERE OF ONE OF THE ROOMS, IS THAT POSSIBLE? THE SLIDE OF THE ROOM. ONE OF THE ROOMS IS MR. VAN VOORHEES BACK THERE IN THE BACK. GARRET.

OKAY. HE STEPPED AWAY. OKAY. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE

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CANNON. NO, I. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. HARLEY. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.

COMMISSIONER KATZENBACH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO THAT. YOU'RE ABSTAINING. ABSTAINING? THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HARRISON. COMMISSIONER. NORMAN. COMMISSIONER. BLAND.

COMMISSIONER. FORD. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN JONES. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT'S SITTING HERE ON THIS LONG NIGHT. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT. SO LET ME CUT TO THE CHASE. TRANSPARENCY. I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT ALL NIGHT. TRUST.

I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT ALL NIGHT. NOW I'M LOOKING OVER A ROOM WITH DECENT PEOPLE ON MY LEFT, DECENT PEOPLE ON MY RIGHT. BOTH STAKEHOLDERS. I WANT TO SAY TO EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM, ESPECIALLY THIS COUNCIL, TOO MANY TIMES BUSINESSES COME HERE AND SPEND MONEY, LOTS OF MONEY.

FIRST WITHOUT CHECKING THE LAWS, THE RULES, THE USAGE, ETCETERA, ETCETERA. THIS IS PROBABLY MY SECOND TIME THIS YEAR SITTING UP HERE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE SPENT MAYBE $100,000, AND WE HAD TO TELL THEM NO BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CHECK WITH THE RULES OR BECAUSE SOMETHING DIDN'T GO RIGHT WITH YOU GUYS. WE HAVE TO GET OURSELVES TOGETHER NOW. I WANT Y'ALL TO LOOK IN THIS ROOM AGAIN. PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE. RAISE YOUR HAND. RAISE YOUR HAND. DON'T BE SCARED. Y'ALL BEEN UP TALKING. RAISE YOUR HAND. NOW I WANT Y'ALL TO LOOK OVER TO THIS SIDE.

NOW PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE RAISE YOUR HAND. I WANT Y'ALL TO LOOK AT THIS SIDE. THIS ROOM IS SEGREGATED AS HELL AS HELL. ONLY ONE WHITE PERSON SPOKE IN FAVOR OF YOUR PROJECT.

EVERYBODY BLACK SPOKE IN FAVOR OF IT. EVERYBODY WHITE SPOKE AGAINST IT. I WONDER WHY THAT IS. I WONDER WHY THAT IS. PEOPLE. THIS CITY HADN'T GROWN ONE BIT. IT HADN'T GROWN ONE BIT. NOW, IS IT BECAUSE MAYBE WE GOT AN NFL ATHLETE WHO'S BLACK AND WHO'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY? WE LOVE OUR ATHLETES. WE LOVE WHAT YOU DO FOR US. OR MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S IN A WHITE COMMUNITY PART OF IT. SOMEBODY SAID, DON'T MEET THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? HARRISON STREET HARRISON STREET LOOK TERRIBLE. THERE'S A COUNCIL MEMBER TRYING TO FIX THIS STUFF UP. THAT'S HIS WARD.

I'M SAYING IT'S FOR A REASON. Y'ALL. WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER. JUST LIKE WE GOT TO GET OUR

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I WONDER IF IT WAS A WHITE DEVELOPER, WOULD YOU BE FOR IT? WELL, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I'D BE OPPOSED TO IT. I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR THE PERSON IS. IT'S BAD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH, BUT YOU AIN'T LOOKING AT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. INDEED I AM. AND I REMEMBER THE WOMAN WHO STOOD ON THE CORNER FOR YEARS AT LIBERTY AND SOUTH SYCAMORE STREET. SHE WAS A RESIDENT OF FILLMORE PLACE. SHE STOOD ON A WALKER AND SHE BEGGED, THIS IS MY TIME. THIS IS MY TIME, CHARLIE. SHE. THIS IS MY TIME. THIS IS MY TIME. BECAUSE YOU TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY STANDING ON LIBERTY STREET. I REMEMBER THEM AS BEING PROSTITUTES. ALL RIGHT, WELL, SO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS WHOLE AREA. LET ME LET ME GET TO MY POINT. MY POINT IS STOP, STOP, STOP. MY POINT IS EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT IN THIS ROOM. AND ALL EVERYBODY'S ASKING FOR IS TO BE INCLUDED OVER HERE. THEY WANT TO BE INCLUDED. YOU SAY YOU WANT TO PARTNER WITH THE POPLAR LAWN PEOPLE. YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE YOU SPENT YOUR MONEY. NOW, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT. THE OWNER WHO SOLD THAT TO YOU, MAN, HE GOT OVER YOU LIKE A FERRET. HE DID. BECAUSE HE DIDN'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT BUILDING, I KNOW IT, I WAS A FIRE MARSHAL THEN. I KNOW THAT BUILDING. I WISH I HAD GOTTEN A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU, BROTHER. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GUIDE OUR BUSINESSES AS COMING INTO THIS PLACE. HOW TO SPEND YOUR MONEY AND THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT. MAN, THAT'S THE ONLY THING. NOW WE GOT TO GET PAST THIS. HE TALK ABOUT HE DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR IS. IF ANYBODY HERE ABOUT THEY DON'T SEE COLOR. THEY DON'T EAT NO GRAPES TOMORROW. YOU KNOW BECAUSE MY THING IS THIS. YOU A PERSON, Y'ALL A PERSON. YOU GOT CONCERNS. Y'ALL GOT CONCERNS, AND THEY ALL ARE VALID. BUT ALL THESE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED TONIGHT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED AT THE BEGINNING WITH THE PLANNING AND THE ZONING RIGHT FROM THE START. WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING Y'ALL UNDER THE GUN, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING Y'ALL SITTING HERE THIS LATE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH AT THE TABLE OF NEGOTIATION. NOW HERE. I HEAR THE PLANNING SAID THE CONDITIONS. NOW, I DON'T THINK THE CONDITIONS CAME BEFORE US FOR THIS PLACE. I DIDN'T I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING SOME CONDITIONS ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND YOU SAID YOU WROTE WHEN COUNCILMAN COOPER ASKED YOU ABOUT ONE OF THE POLICIES, YOU SAID IN PASSING, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN PASS BY A POLICY UNLESS YOU DRIVING PAST IT. I DON'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WE HAVE TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK. WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER. THIS IS A MAN WHO SPENT $1 MILLION OR MORE.

SHOULD NOT GO IN VAIN. BUT I SUGGEST, LIKE PLANNING SUGGEST, AND I HOPE COUNCIL AGREE WITH ME THAT ALL OF YOU GO BACK TO THE TABLE. MAN, Y'ALL GOT TO SIT DOWN WITH EACH OTHER. THIS CAN WORK. BUT THAT MENTAL THING, I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS TRI-CITY GARDEN VILLA AND I REMEMBER PEOPLE WALKING. I REMEMBER HAVING FIRES AT THAT BUILDING AND BEING THREATENED BY MENTAL ILLNESS. PEOPLE. NOW I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS PLACE? DEALING WITH MENTAL ILLNESS AND POPLAR SPRINGS. POPLAR SPRINGS HAS A FENCE AROUND IT. POPLAR SPRINGS KEEPS ITS PEOPLE INSIDE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL COULD EASILY DO. I MEAN, YOU SPENT $1 MILLION AND ALREADY. SO FENCE AIN'T GOING TO HURT YOU. YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

Y'ALL CAN COMMUNICATE, Y'ALL. WE AIN'T GOT TO DO ALL THIS COURT STUFF, MAN. JUST GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND TALK TO EACH OTHER. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS MARTIN LUTHER KING SAID BLACK MAN AND WHITE MAN SIT DOWN AND TALK TO EACH OTHER. DO IT. LOOK AT THIS ROOM, Y'ALL SEGREGATED, MAN. YOU DID IT AUTOMATICALLY, TOO. IT AIN'T NO SIGN SAYING WHITES ONLY, BLACKS ONLY. Y'ALL DID THIS YOURSELVES. YOU DID IT YOURSELVES. NOW I EXPECT Y'ALL. AND Y'ALL GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND COME BACK LIKE THIS SO WE CAN APPROVE THIS THING THAT'LL BENEFIT EVERYBODY IN THIS CITY.

ALRIGHT. AMEN. LET'S GO. ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, MR. WILLIAMS. YES. SO MR. HARRISON'S MOTION IS WELL TAKEN, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD INDICATED IN THEIR MOTION THAT THEY WOULD BRING IT BACK BY THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. HOWEVER, I JUST WANT TO BRING THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION THAT BY STATE CODE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS UP TO 100 DAYS TO MAKE A DETERMINATION UNLESS COUNCIL SETS A SHORTER TIME PERIOD. THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT HAS EXPRESSED TO ME THE EXIGENCY, GIVEN THE FACT THAT HIS CLIENT HAS SPENT $1.8 MILLION IN ENSURING THAT THE DECISION IS MADE PROMPTLY. AND SO, AGAIN, I SUGGEST COUNCIL CONSIDER A MOTION TO SHORTEN THAT TIME PERIOD JUST TO ENSURE, BECAUSE

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MYERS. COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. LEE. AYE. VICE MAYOR. HILL. AYE.

MAYOR. AYE. THAT MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU TO THE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND. AND THAT MOTION THAT WAS TO BE HELD ON OCTOBER 7TH. OKAY. WE GOOD. AND THEN THE COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 21ST FOR A FINAL VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. WINSLOW. THANK YOU FOR 13 PROPERTIES. AND WE'LL SEE YOU IN OCTOBER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CITIZENS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULAR OUR SPECIAL CALL

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